Trump’s falsehoods — and what Democrats say is the threat he poses to democracy — have even some Democrats questioning whether their party should accept a loss in the Nov. 5 election.
While 19% of Republicans say Trump should reject the election results if he loses, 12% of Democrats say Kamala Harris should do the same if she loses.
That’s it? The Insurrection Caucus was a higher percentage, wasn’t it?
More than 1 out of 5 will not accept that he lost and will want him to call the election invalid. The 1 in the given statistic counts those that are willing to openly state that voting doesn’t matter.
12% of Democrats say Kamala Harris should do the same if she loses.
I’m increasingly of the opinion that no matter what happens, Donald J. Trump should not be allowed to take power and should be prevented from doing so by any means necessary. If he somehow wins this election, his sentencing for the 34 felony charges needs to immediately decided before January 6th before he has a chance to quash it.
Speaking as a German who was attentive in history class, yes, as paradoxical as it sounds, the current government should fight tooth and nail ro remain in control and don’t simply relinquish power to the Republicans should Trump win. Although that in itself would be undemocratic, it would also be the last resort to save democracy ironically.
The alternative will be a fascist government that will immediately start to dismantle democracy and persecute the opposition, a.k.a. “the enemy within”. I personally would rather not see the superpower with the world’s largest military turn into an autocracy.
And that’s not even taking into account the effect it would have on climate change, which would become even worse instead of getting at least mitigated. (Democratic societies have no choice but to act as soon as public pressure becomes too high, which it will within the next years. Autocratic societies however can just double down on propaganda and oppression and carry on burning fossil fuels.)
It’s nice to want things
Honestly? Lower than I’d think.
I thought the proportion of Republicans who don’t give a shit about democracy and just want their dude to win was higher.
A lot of them simply won’t believe he actually lost, so he wouldn’t be overturning anything, but correcting.
I bet there are a bunch who won’t admit it but want it.
It’s 19% that don’t want him to accept the results if he loses without any other info.
If trump claims it was stolen, then that number will skyrocket.
And if he loses, he’ll say it was stolen.
I’m not sure of how they worded the question, but I think you are exactly correct. There are a lot of Trump voters who don’t believe he lost in 2020. So, if he really lost, they’d accept that, but virtually nothing would be accepted as a real loss short of Trump flat-out saying, “I lost, but it was the most beautiful loss in history.”
Yeah, I mean just look at 2020, around 2/3s of Republicans believe it was stolen.
It wasn’t, there’s zero evidence it was.
But still, 2/3s agree with it.
Anyone that expects the 19% number to still be true in three weeks is woefully naive. This is the floor, but lots won’t say it till the election is over, but are going to say it regardless
He did eventually admit he lost the 2020 election.
He did. But he also still claims he won and that it was stolen to this day. It’s one of his biggest talking points.
Doublethink
I agree - but I honestly thought there was more than 19% who just didn’t give a shit about Democracy at this point.
There are 19% who give so little of a shit about democracy that they won’t even try to hide it, there’s definitely more who feel this way but won’t admit it
That number will skyrocket if he loses.
This just in: 1 in 5 Republicans are openly sedititious traitors.
The other 4 are hiding it.
Whereas only 1 in 8 Democrats are openly sedititious traitors.
Clearly. They are the same picture, after all.
“1 in 5 Republicans admit they just plain don’t like democracy.”
How many people really like democracy when they are not part of the majority?
Democracy is four cannibals deciding what’s for dinner.
That’d be all human societies. Some of us are sort of like vegetarian, consciously refusing to eat humans. That would be libertarians and maybe left anarchists. But the basic system still is this.
Libertarians are the “vegetarians” of politics— they like everyone to equate them with vegans, but in reality have no issues eating fish, chicken and other meats, and in reality have a pretty loose definition of what’s “not meat.”
The real political vegans are those who go off to form their own communities and reject the ENTIRE political structure, not just the parts that don’t directly benefit them.
Not entirely correct, if you read about panarchy and contract jurisdictions and georgism and NAP, you might see that mostly they approach the same point of the river flow, just walking on the other shore, so to say.
We can agree on libertarians being the whole spectrum from “vegetarians” to “vegans” in politics, and left anarchists being only in the “vegan” area, if you will.
Still,
The real political vegans are those who go off to form their own communities and reject the ENTIRE political structure, not just the parts that don’t directly benefit them.
- such libertarians exist too, and the more radical part of them is fully of this kind.
The rest knows he will and are fine with it.
1 in 5 republicans want Trump <3<3<3
To call Election-invalid if he loses
(900) MY TRUMP, $15 for the first 5 minutes, $5 for every minute after that. Hot, steamy election deniers are waiting to talk to you.
Surprised it’s not more than that.
“Also two additional fifths. And then one more fifth.”
I am as well.
Especially since when polled a majority of Republicans agree that immigrants are “poisoning the blood of the country”, and their support ticks up even more when the quote is attributed to Trump.
This is the portion that is fine with openly admitting that they support overthrowing democracy when they know he lost, not the much larger portion that is willing to believe lies about the election was stolen.
At least the 12% of Democrats have Trump actually trying to overthrow the last election as a reason to oppose him being in office again. He should be in jail for his 34 felonies right now.
