It’s much preferred over pitch black darkness at 3:30pm in the winter…
I think you’re forgetting that night time is cool and day time is for losers.
It’s a lot less cool when you’re robbed the option of day time entirely, because you have to spend daylight hours at work…you wake up, its dark…you leave work, its dark. And on top, it’s rainy and cold and windy.
Mostly losing my will to live for months every year is not very cool.
People who bark about diurnal superiority are losers.
depends where you live
How far north do you live to get darkness at 3.30 pm?
Its also not a choice between ops pictures and this because i am convinced they are criticising daylight saving In summer, which does not affect winter.
That’s around the same latitude as Kiel in Northern Germany. Go up to Stockholm and it sets around 2:45 pm at the earliest.
Yes, it is mocking DST.
Where I live the sun comes up at 6 am and sets at 9 pm. That makes the noon at 1:30 pm. If we didn’t have DST it would be up at 5 and down at 8 pm with noon at 12:30, which would be preferable.
DST fucks with my sleep schedule, I hate it so much.
Why on earth would that be preferable? Unless you get up at 5am the morning sunlight is wasted, and you have less sun to enjoy in the evenings
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
I would rather have more summer sun in the cool morning before work than the blazing hot sun in the evenings after work. I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
DST sucks my sweaty balls!
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
I’m guessing you meant you do wake up with the sun. It doesn’t matter what time the sun comes up then, just wake up with it and enjoy the cool morning then.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
This literally makes no sense. The temperature will be just as hot at whatever time of day it is no matter whether it’s Standard time or Daylight Saving time.
I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
Exactly. Standard time makes this harder. I would like to get sleep at 5 am, a reasonable hour. You do realize the majority of the planet doesn’t go to sleep until after 11pm right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-bedtime-by-country
You’d literally be forcing the majority of the population to get even less sleep, since the sun would be interrupting their sleep more. If you go to sleep before 11pm you are in the absolute extreme minority.
First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn’t even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn’t have to follow DST for work then it wouldn’t matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn’t what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world’s average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn’t come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.
Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.
You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.
Objectively,
Because we would be avoiding the 2 jet lag times a year which have been proven to cause deadly (traffic) accidents.
Because the other alternative of always dst means sun only gets up at 10am in winter which can negatively impact mental health (especially for children and teenagers)
Subjectively,
Because some people actually enjoy summer nights.
Because getting up on time is easier with more sunlight. And waking gradually and naturally at 5:30 beats waking forcefully by alarm at 6:30
How does keeping kids inside the whole time the sun is up improve their mental health over giving them an extra hour of sun after school that they can actually enjoy?
I am no psychologist but it’s about how their day night cycle develops which is very different from adults.
Daylight is one of the systems it uses to self regulate and start feeling awake.
School actually starts to soon in many places, that already a major part of it. Research (not at hand) actually show grades go up if school starts later. We basically force kids to be tired to fit our schedule and it gets worse for teens.
With delayd sunlight. They wont really be properly awake for almost half their “productive” day”.
We also know that lack of sleep is a pillar of mental health conditions, now include all the dormant mental health conditions kids already carry and with growing up in this timeline.
Circadian rhythms aren’t based solely on the sun. They are also based on social and physical activity. Things they don’t get when sitting indoors for the entirety of their daylight hours.
Lack of sleep is primarily because they are not physically tired come bed time. They aren’t physically tired becauae they haven’t engaged in any physical activity all day. They’ve been obligated to sit indoors during daylight hours, and they don’t have daylight for outdoor evening activities.
Instead, they get to sit indoors, under artificial lighting and watching bright screens, both of which screw up their sleep schedules.
DST is in use 3/4 of the year. It is “normal” time, where everyone recognizes that 4am is entirely too fucking early for a sunrise, so we push that back to 5AM.
“Standard” time is the abnormal abomination that we currently switch to for about 3 months in winter.
Seasonal depression in kids and teens is primarily due to the lack of outdoor activities in winter, which is caused by an abnormally early sunset driving them indoors immediately after school.
Locking the clocks on normal, “summer” time solves the problems with the time change. The “kids walking to school in the dark” problem is mitigated by the fact that they already spend the darkest three weeks of the year on winter vacation; we can extend that one more week by stealing three days from each end of the summer vacation. The remaining two or three weeks of early morning darkness do not justify stealing months of evening daylight from the rest of us.
I live just about in the middle of Norway. It’s nearly always dark in the winter and nearly always light in summer.
DST also makes no real difference here, if its sunrise at 4:30am and sundown at 11:30pm or sunrise at 3:30am and sundown at 10:30pm doesn’t matter whatsoever.
And it’s besutiful.
For ghouls, maybe.
Bruh that’s so rude, they’re just programmers, no need to call them names
More like 1:30 PM, during midwinter. 😭 The long dark near the Arctic circle…
But also the other 23 hours.
3*
I love that, thank you very much.
Sorry, but I prefer this to winter days where I don’t see the sun at all because it’s only up while I’m at work.
They’re equally awful but in their own ways.
No. No i think roasting when you open your front door is worse.
does depend on where you live tho. up north the summers aren’t so bad
Okay, yes, im sure in the arctic circle i would love the temperate evenings.
Seattle has an awesome summer and it’s not even that far north. San Francisco’s is downright chilly!
I don’t mind high temperatures on their own, but I’ll die if they’re combined with high humidity.
Sorry, but over 105f you literally die. At 115 it feels like an oven outside.
105 femtowhat? I have no idea what those numbers mean.
Thats fair. ~4(3?)c. The temp your brain cooks at.
They’re both equally just fine imo. During winter it can be really bright with snow and sunshine feels so much better and during summer I just get heavier curtains.
But sometimes when there’s snow and you have the moon shining it’s just unbelievably pretty. But yeah, I’ll take more sun over less anytime.
Better than winter depression. Better than recognizing it’s getting dark, wondering where the day has gone but it’s only 16:30. Better than waking up in the darkness and realising it’s still two or three hours till sunrise. Better than going to work before the sun rises and getting home after it sets, only seeing the sun like an image, a distant promise when looking out the window at work.
Can’t have the highs without the lows. Around the equator it’s basically light from 6am to 6pm the entire year.
That doesn’t mean that I have to love each season equally or that my depression magically goes away.
Fuck the sun
No, fuck you.
My depression goes away in the Winter. Come summer I get seasonal agression and hide in the basement.
You act like the sun is good to be around and does something other than give you cancer.
Also, how the hell do you enjoy outside at like 50c/112f?
You act like the sun […] does something other than give you cancer.
Have you ever heard about vitamin d (no dick jokes, I dare you!)?
Also, how the hell do you enjoy outside at like 50c/112f?
You live in the wrong region, my friend.
vitamin d
No sorry, havent fucked a trans woman in forever.
wrong region
Where the hell do you live that it’s measured in k!?
Edit: it’s not transphobia! I don’t think! General dry spell, and trans women aren’t that common! Im not going to touch men, and nb’s seem to be able to read my entire tankie warsaw pact cosplay convention of red flags, so that’s the only way that would happen!
Go and troll somewhere else, kid.
go troll somewhere else
You did basically beg me to
kid
So, what, rankine? Where the fuck uses rankine?
Do you know how depressing it is to only experience the sun while at work and not outside of it in the winter?
Yes, I do know. Funny thing because I normally don’t care about going out and such. But going to work before sunrise and going home after sunset is depressing.
Especially those times of year where you’re in the office before the sun rises, and leave after it sets. Oh, and you work in a windowless room.
Been there. Starting at 7:30am, before dawn. Finishing at 4:30pm, after sunset. Fine I’ll just go without any daylight for 5 days per week then.
Yes. It creates a weird mind-fuck where i actually like a thing about my job, and the corporation has spared me a great evil.
I think that most winter lovers/summer haters live fairly south (like, not in areas north enough for taiga or tundra) and have never experienced a real winter. Come back to me when you have spent 5 months with only a few hours of sunlight, streets slippery as hell, barely any vegetation or animals, and being cold as hell.
I lived in Fairbanks, AK for almost three years. I’ve also lived in Bethel for a little over a year and spent about 6 months in Barrow. I grew up in Anchorage. If I could afford to have seasonal houses, my summer home would be in Barrow and my winter home would be in Fairbanks.
Fuck anywhere that gets above 65F at any point during the year. It’s currently 62F in Anchorage and while it’s bearable, it’s bordering on becoming miserable.
Fuck Summer and the Sun it rode in on.
That sounds so amazing. Air temperature outside my car driving back from the store was 114F a few minutes ago. You can’t go outside, you can’t get fresh air into your house, and the a/c runs full blast 24/7 just to hit 72F inside, until the power grid fails, again, because it’s more profitable to not properly maintain the equipment. I need to get out of here. Texas sucks.
Omg we are such opposites. I grew up in FL and 60sF (15C) is winter for us. Like people will straight up wear jackets in the 60s. I love weather in the 80sF (26C), 90sF (32C) is bearable, but 100sF (37C) is horrible and stay inside as much as possible.
I think it’s a bit hard to live further south than Punta Arenas but I loved winter there despite it being far from warm.
Nah, I know Finnish people who like winter and their winters are hard core.
No we don’t. Why do you think we drink more coffee than any other country and have shitton of both seasonal and general depression?
I know you generally hate it but I have met individuals who (claim to) like it
Have you never heard of Antarctica?
As someone who works all day, commutes, and then has to sleep, I don’t understand this viewpoint.
What am I going to do with extra daylight after work? I’m still just going home and then to bed. It’s not like I’m taking an excursion to the lake at 8pm when I’ve got to be up at 5am to get ready for work.
Your attitude is entirely dependant on your latitude my natty dude
If I were near the equator: is this a joke I’m too 0° lat to understand?
Yea, here in New Orleans the sun is setting around 7:30. Elsewhere in the post people are talking about the sung going down at 9:00 in Germany. So I looked it up and apparently New Orleans is further south than Cairo.
I don’t care about the sun being up at 9 or 10 still.
I hate the god damn heat! Get this climate change under control! 😬
That’s a hard ask of the stupids of the world.
The problem is not of stupidity, but of concerted efforts by fossil fuel lobbies to muddy the research, create anti-green propaganda, climate science denialism, hide determinant research about climate change, and lobby politicians who are against the fight on climate change.
Is the AES in your username for the Student Loan provider? lol.
No, it’s for Actually Existing Socialism, no idea what a student loan provider is, probably something too USian for me to understand. My bachelor university studies in Spain costed less than 6000€ total including tuition and the few books I had to buy, and my master’s costed around 1500€. That’s without any disability/income price reduction, highest price a Spaniard will pay for public university (around the mid-2010s)
I actually like that the sun doesn’t set until like ten in the evening where I live. It also starts rising at 3 in the morning. I love it. I prefer this to depression season the other half of the year xS
Found the Dane :)
I’ve been to Denmark and I agree, it’s great to have sun until late in the evening. It feels like you have more life after a work day.
then there is the winter when you casually just realize that you haven’t seen the sun in weeks, maybe event months because you leave for work before the sun rises and go home after it sets and in the weekends you are inside recovering from the workweek.
But still i like to say that it takes the whole winter to yearn for the summer but it only takes one day of summer to want it to be winter again.
That, and more energy. I swear something got fucked up at the factory when they made me. I’m a terrible scandinavian. I am prone to pretty intense winter depressions and I’m not a fan of the cold either. I have been so far down the dumps during the winter seasons that I have blacked out entire months and have no memory of what I did and my spouse is like “yeah, you basically spent two months sitting in the same corner of the home when you weren’t working, just looking gone, dude.” And when I have winters where I feel like I did pretty good and didn’t get depressed my man still goes “yeah, nah. You were depressed af. Just not vacant this time”.
On the flipside I have been giddy like a kid walking for hours in flip-flops in Mediterranean mountains, getting slow cooked by the summer sun. I remember last time I was visiting Greece with my parents and we walked all morning until noon to get to a nice little beach across the mountains and a couple of locals saw us coming and were fucking horrified that we had come all that way on foot, lol.
22:40 here
Iceland?
Denmark
One of the reasons why i vehemently hate summer. The other one is temperature. And another one is people. Too much people.
What if I told you that ALL the seasons have people in them? Kinda gross to think too much about it.
That’s what I forgot to add. True, but summertime here is full of shitty tourists, while local people spend more time outside making annoying and noisy parties.
Seconded. I’d rather sunset at 4:30 and freezing my ass off than torturing myself with the summer heat that comes with the late sun.
You seem like a well adjusted person that is fun at parties.
Oh. I forgot to add I also hate parties.
Nevermind what I said then.
I bet they throw amazing parties. Nice food, drinks that aren’t all bud light and shots, music is a background thing and not something you have to compete with for conversation, maybe a bored game or card game.
As if partying with people you couldn’t care less was mandatory or healthy in any measure.
For sure.
X-Files in Alaska:
Fox: “Why is the school closed on a weekday?”
Mulder: “It’s 10PM Fox.”
He’s talking to himself? Must be the lack of sleep.
Uh, I’ve never actually seen the show, but I’m pretty sure Fox Mulder is the guy and something Scully is the lady.
Dana Scully.
Fun fact; she wasn’t allowed to play an FBI agent in anything else for a long time as to not dilute the Scully character
I had ONE job. :(
Yeah summer is terrible, with how you have to put on five layers to stay cool in the sunshine and then go shovel out all the sunshine in your driveway and/or scrape all the sunshine off your car before you drive ten mph all the way to work while fellow commuters slip & slide all over the sunshine covered roads…
wearing 5 layers to be warm is better than wearing 1 layer and still boiling alive and literally having your skin burn and still feel painful and like it’s cooking the next day while sitting in a pitch black room
As my mom always said
“If you’re cold you can put on more clothes, but you can only get so naked”
I can’t have warm hands and usable dexterity in winter. Only in winter can I have painfully cold, numb hands and be sweaty at the same time.
At least in summer my whole body agrees that it’s warm and my hands always work properly
Where do you live? Maybe you could choose a more temperate climate
“oh just move country if you don’t like the heat” true fivehead statement the uk is supposed to be temperate but climate change happened there is nowhere temperate anymore
There’s plenty of temperate locations, sounds like you just haven’t bothered to look. I live in one, but it’s in America so I wouldn’t suggest that to anyone not already here. I’m guessing further north in the uk or in Northern Ireland you would find plenty of temperate regions.
again hur dur just move bro it was temperate here 10 years ago you think it won’t be hotter in the north soon even if I wanted to move I live in social housing on disability and am reliant on help from my family just moving to the other side of the country to avoid summer isn’t an option also I’ve lived in the north when I went there for school it was pretty damn hot there in the summer not as bad but it was not that much cooler
It depends on where you live. In my case snow is a miracle at this point because of global warming
You still have snow? Must be nice. We have 40 degrees in june.
I’m enjoying seeing my solar panels still producing electricity for the house at 8:55pm at night.
But more evening sun means better light for evening events. I don’t know of too many early morning events other than work/commute and fuck the boss’ extra 5% productivity from the average person, I’d rather drive in the dark.
More evening sun means my night needs to start later, and the world doesn’t get pretty til late
“I love everything about nights but I can’t stand the day, the sun melts calmness away.”
-Bracket
Your logic doesn’t make sense. In other threads you’re arguing that you can’t go out when it’s hot, so stay inside instead. That’s how you get ready for bed anyway, by staying inside. How does the sunsun staying up later change your night routine at all?
Guess what it does do? Make afternoon outdoor activities much safer. Biking, rock climbing, running, literally any outdoor activity is much safer in daylight.
Youre assuming
- I never want to go outside. That it would be healthy to do that.
I want to avoid the sun. Dinner outside at my favorite restaurant, fucking on a famous homophobe’s grave, third outdoor activity normal people do.
2A. Afternoon activities
So do them in rhe afternoon during the two hours it’s light out!
2B. Safer!
Heat and heat stroke are hazards too.
- Staying inside is good for sleeping anyway
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
Your logic gets more and more obtuse. You want to go outside, but you want to avoid the sun, you want to do activities outside, but only in a two hour timespan (completely ignoring commuting and that many activities take longer than that). You talk about heat stroke like it’s happening to every single person who goes outside.
Not everyone lives like you. Im gonna use the only time it feels nice to go outside to go outside, instead of rotting in bed forever.
This comment makes even less sense. You want to be outside, but you don’t want sun, but you want to sleep when it’s 8 pm, but that’s the coolest time of the day if it’s not dst. Like seriously, none of your argument makes sense. And fyi, I spend the majority of my day outside. Even working from home, I’ll work in a hammock outside. But I’m also not the average person. The average person commutes to a location to work and then has to come back home, get ready for their activities and then go from there. All of your suggestions are completely at odds with that.
And fyi, shade exists. This is honestly one of the most troll conversations I’ve ever participated in, acting like the sun burns you the second you step outside and you want to be outside without the sun. If you want to be outside without the sun then go out when it’s dark. You can wake up at your normal 5am time and get a great amount of dark cool weather. And the rest of us can live normally.
Sorry i can’t telk if you’re a morning ‘person’ or a troll.
Tbh id settle for a split difference, just get rid of the time shift. It’s more of an issue in the winter.
Basing everything on our system of description rather than using a rich descriptive system to define things is the problem of so much of our shit.
I love it, for real. Short winter days suck, especially after going back to standard time. Having light in the evening is wonderful.
You are wrong and i prefer the outdoors being remotely habitable.
Even at like -40, theres gear to make it tolerable. At 100f/40c, it’s just an oven, and even survivors will need shower+salt
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You can adapt to high temps. Drink water and consume enough electrolytes, and your body will learn to be more adept at keeping itself cool. Meanwhile, your brain will get used to high temps. The problem is that you are avoiding the heat, which means your body never adapts.
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For heavy exercise, simply do it earlier or later in the day when temps are cooler. Warmer regions developed the siesta for a reason.
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If you really hate it so much, move.
You can ada0t to medium high temps. You can survive 90f, even 100f.
You cannot adapt to 115f. You go inside, or you die.
hate it so much, move
Okay so you don’t understand that youre talking to anither human and just think disagreement is a kind of attack.
Okay so you don’t understand that youre talking to anither human and just think disagreement is a kind of attack.
No. I think that moving is an underutilized option. If you live in Alaska but hate the cold, move. If you live in Alabama but hate gun nuts, move. If you live in Briton and hate… being miserable as a lifestyle, then move!
Like, there are all sorts of ways to mitigate unhappiness. But at the end of the day, if something intrinsic to the place you live is really making you unhappy, then there is an obvious answer.
Cool, so, will you pay for me to move? Cover work while i get setyled in a new part of the world and find that?
Find me someplace i won’t be murdered for personal/demographic reasons with wither i like?
All I can say to that is - can’t do attitudes can’t do anything. You created a list of problems, and are acting like they are unsolveable, instead of seeing them as a checklist of things to get done to obtain a better life.
Okay, so, like i said earlier…
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It’s hot & humid here in the subtropics but even so I love this season the most. I was born here and grew up without AC so adapted I guess. Being still in the shade with a breeze I am comfortable up to a pretty high temp but here the summer has afternoon storms that cool it a little so the evening, while hot, is usually 25-27 not 40.
Our indoor AC is set to 26. That feels cool enough in the summer, so evening is comfortable.
I cannot get comfortable in the cold, no amount of clothing seems to work, I just don’t generate that much heat.
Riding home on the bike is MUCH safer in the daylight too.
safer
Coward! More seriously; solvable by making car use dangerous.
40
40 is a lot, but thats kind of the upper limit. Lot of places get hotter than that now.
not endothermic
Oh, cool toy time! get chemical warmers, battery warmer, etc. They exist and are simple.
What tropic are you from?
Yeah that’s the only place it ever gets that hot.
We’re at 40 currently, it’s very hard to breathe
I am informed by day/summwr people that you just need cla gatorade and itll be fine.
The time doesn’t affect the weather. It’s still going to be hot or cold out for the exact same length of time. Time zone changes only affect whether you’re working or playing at those times. I’d rather have the option than be forced to be working when the sun is out.
Living by our kinda-bullshit abstractions we made to describe reality and avoid deeper understanding as if that were material reality, in defiance of material reality.
You live in a waking lie, you drown in a sea of bullshit, you propagate a cognitive disease. Please stop.
You have a problem dude. You can’t even form coherent sentences, much less come up with an argument that works for yourself much less the majority of people on earth.
I apologize for resorting to poetry in the obvious failure of empathy and prose.
