Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. Also, happy 4th July in advance…I guess.)

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      I listen solely to 12-hour-long binaural beats tracks from YouTube, to maximize my focus for prompt context engineering. Get with the times or get left behind

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      Dude came up with an entire ā€œobviously trueā€ ā€œproofā€ that music has no value, and then when asked how he defines ā€œvalueā€ he shrugs his shoulders and is like šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø money I guess?

      This almost has too much brainrot to be 100% trolling.

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      ā€œMusic is just like meth, cocaine or weed. All pleasure no value. Don’t listen to music.ā€

      (Considering how many rationalists are also methheads, this joke wrote itself)

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      However speaking as someone with success on informatics olympiads

      The rare nerd who can shove themselves into a locker in O(log n) time

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      the most subtle taliban infiltrator on lesswrong:

      e:

      You don’t need empirical evidence to reason from first principles

      he’ll fit in just fine

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      I once saw the stage adaptation of A Clockwork Orange, and the scientist who conditioned Alexander against sex and violence said almost the same thing when they discovered that he’d also conditioned him against music.

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      If anybody doesn’t click, Cremieux and the NYT are trying to jump start a birther type conspiracy for Zohran Mamdani. NYT respects Crem’s privacy and doesn’t mention he’s a raging eugenicist trying to smear a poc candidate. He’s just an academic and an opponent of affirmative action.

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      Ye it was a real ā€œoh fuck I recognise this nick, this cannot mean anything goodā€ moment

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        I had a straight-up ā€œwait I thought he was back in his hole after being outedā€ moment. I hate that all the weird little dumbasses we know here keep becoming relevant.

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    Get your popcorn folks. Who would win: one unethical developer juggling ā€œemployment trial periodsā€, or the combined interview process of all Y Combinator startups?

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44448461

    Apparently one indian dude managed to crack the YC startup interview game and has been juggling being employed full time at multiple ones simultaneously for at least a year, getting fired from them as they slowly realize he isn’t producing any code.

    The cope from the hiring interviewers is so thick you could eat it as a dessert. ā€œHe was a top 1% in the interviewā€ ā€œHe was a 10xā€. We didn’t do anything wrong, he was just too good at interviewing and unethical. We got hit by a mastermind, we couldn’t have possibly found what the public is finding quickly.

    I don’t have the time to dig into the threads on X, but even this ask HN thread about it is gold. I’ve got my entertainment for the evening.

    Apparently he was open about being employed at multiple places on his linkedin. I’m seeing someone say in that HN thread that his resume openly lists him hopping between 12 companies in as many months. Apparently his Github is exclusively clearly automated commits/activity.

    Someone needs to run with this one. Please. Great look for the Y Combinator ghouls.

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      Alongside the ā€œGreat Dumbassā€ theory of history - holding that in most cases the arc of history is driven by the large mass of the people rather than by exceptional individuals, but sometimes someone comes along and fucks everything up in ways that can’t really be accounted for - I think we also need to find some way of explaining just how the keys to the proverbial kingdom got handed over to such utter goddamn rubes.

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        I’m not 100% on the technical term for it, but basically I’m using it to mean: the first couple of months it takes for a new hire to get up to speed to actually be useful. Some employers also have different rules for the first x days of employment, in terms of reduced access to sensitive systems/data or (I’ve heard) giving managers more leeway to just fire someone in the early period instead of needing some justification for HR.

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          Ah ok, I’m aware of what this is, just never heard ā€œwork trialā€ used.

          In my head it sounded like a free demo of how insufferable your new job is going to be

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        I’m not shedding any tears for the companies that failed to do their due dilligence in hiring, especially not ones involved in AI (seems most were) and involved with Y Combinator.

        That said, unless you want to get into a critique of capitalism itself, or start getting into whataboutism regarding celebrity executives like a number of the HN comments do, I don’t have many qualms calling this sort of thing unethical.

        This whole thing is flying way too close to the "not debate club" rule for my comfort already, but I wrote it so I may as well post it

        Multiple jobs at a time, or not giving 100% for your full scheduled hours is an entirely different beast than playing some game of ā€œI’m going to get hired at literally as many places as possible, lie to all of them, not do any actual work at all, and then see how long I can draw a paycheck while doing nothingā€.

        Like, get that bag, but ew. It’s a matter of intent and of scale.

        I can’t find anything indicating that the guy actually provided anything of value in exchange for the paychecks. Ostensibly, employment is meant to be a value exchange.

        Most critically for me: I can’t help but hurt some for all the people on teams screwed over by this. I’ve been in too many situations where even getting a single extra pair of hands on a team was a heroic feat. I’ve seen the kind of effects it has on a team tthat’s trying not to drown when the extra bucket to bail out the water is instead just another hole drilled into the bottom of the boat. That sort of situation led directly to my own burnout, which I’m still not completely recovered from nearly half a decade later.

        Call my opinion crab bucketing if you like, but we all live in this capitalist framework, and actions like this have human consequences, not just consequences on the CEO’s yearly bonus.

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          Nah, I feel you. I think this is pretty solidly a ā€œplague on both their housesā€ kind of situation. I’m glad he chose to focus his apparently amazing grift powers on such a deserving target, but let’s not pretend that anything whatsoever was really gained here.

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        Not doing your due dilligence during recruitment is stupid, but exploiting that is still unethical, unless you can make a case for all of those companies being evil.

        Like if he directly scammed idk just OpenAI, Palantir, and Amazon then sure, he can’t possibly use that money for any worse purposes.

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    Apparently linkedin’s cofounder wrote a techno-optimist book on AI called Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future.

    Zack of SMBC has thoughts on it:

    [actual excerpt omitted, follow the link to read it]

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      There are so many different ways to unpack this, but I think my two favorites so far are:

      1. We’ve turned the party’s surveillance and thought crime punishment apparatus into a de facto God with the reminder that you could pray to it. Does that actually do anything? Almost certainly not, unless your prayers contain thought crimes in which case you will be reeducated for the good of the State, but hey, Big Brother works in mysterious ways.

      2. How does it never occur to these people that the reason why people with disproportionate amounts of power don’t use it to solve all the world’s problems is that they don’t want to? Like, every single billionaire is functionally that Spider-Man villain who doesn’t want to cure cancer but wants to turn people into dinosaurs. Only turning people into dinosaurs is at least more interesting than making a number go up forever.

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      Apparently linkedin’s cofounder wrote a techno-optimist book on AI called Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future.

      This sounds like its going to be horrible

      Zack of SMBC has thoughts on it:

      Ah, good, I’ll just take his word for it, the thought of reading it gives me psychic da-

      the authors at one point note that in 1984, Big Brother’s listening device means there is two way communication, and so the people have a voice. He wonders why Orwell didn’t think of this.

      The closest thing I have to a coherent response is that Boondocks clip of Uncle Ruckus going ā€œRead, nigga, read!ā€ (from Stinkmeaner Strikes Back, if you’re wondering) because how breathtakingly stupid do you have to be to miss the point that fucking hard

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      Apparently linkedin’s cofounder wrote a techno-optimist book on AI called Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future.

      We’re going to have to stop paying attention to guys whose main entry on their CV is a website and/or phone app. I mean, we should have already, but now it’s just glaringly obvious.

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    New thread from Ed Zitron, gonna focus on just the starter:

    You want my opinion, Zitron’s on the money - once the AI bubble finally bursts, I expect a massive outpouring of schadenfreude aimed at the tech execs behind the bubble, and anyone who worked on or heavily used AI during the bubble.

    For AI supporters specifically, I expect a triple whammy of mockery:

    • On one front, they’re gonna be publicly mocked for believing tech billionaires’ bullshit claims about AI, and publicly lambasted for actively assisting tech billionaires’ attempts to destroy labour once and for all.

    • On another front, their past/present support for AI will be used as grounds to flip the bozo bit on them, dismissing whatever they have to say as coming from someone incapable of thinking for themselves.

    • On a third front, I expect their future art/writing will be immediately assumed to be AI slop and either dismissed as not worth looking at or mocked as soulless garbage made by someone who, quoting David Gerard, ā€œliterally cannot tell good from badā€.

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    Damn cat just stood on my phone and launched Gemini for the first time, so we can drop Google’s monthly active user count by one relative to whatever they claim.

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    Managers: ā€œAI will make employees more productive!ā€

    WaPo: ā€œAI note takers are flooding Zoom calls as workers opt to skip meetingsā€ https://archive.ph/ejC53

    Managers: ā€œnot like that!!!ā€

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    New thread from Baldur Bjarnason publicly sneering at his fellow programmers:

    Anybody who has been around programmers for more than five minutes should not be surprised that many of them are enthusiastically adopting a tool that is harmful, destroying industries, sabotaging education, and hindering the energy transition because they feel it’s giving them a moderate advantage

    That they respond to those pointing some of this out with mockery (ā€œnutsā€, ā€œshove your concern up your assā€) and that their peers see this mockery as reasonable discourse is also not surprising. Tech is entirely built on the backs of workers with no regard for externalities or second order effects

    Tech is also extremely bad at software. We habitually make fragile, insecure, complex, and hard to maintain code that backs poor UIs. The best case scenario is that LLMs accelerate already broken software dev processes in an industry that is built around monopolies and billionaire extremists

    But, sure, feeling discouraged by the state of the industry is ā€œlike quitting carpentry as a career thanks to the invention of the table sawā€

    Whatever

    EDIT: Found out where Baldur got the ā€œtable sawā€ quote from - added it accordingly.

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      This ties back into the recurring question of drawing boundaries around ā€œAIā€ as a concept. Too many people just blithely accept that it’s just a specific set of machine learning techniques applied to sufficiently large sets of data. This in spite of the fact that we’re several AI ā€œcyclesā€ deep where every 30 years or so (whenever it stops being ā€œretroā€) some new algorithm or mechanism is definitely going to usher in Terminator II: Judgement Day.

      This narrow frame focused on LLMs still allows for some discussion of the problems we’re seeing (energy use, training data sourcing, etc) but it cuts off a lot of the wider conversations about the social, political, and economic causes and impacts of outsourcing the business of being human to a computer.

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    AI research is going great. Researchers leave instructions in their papers to any LLM giving a review, telling them to only talk about the positives. These instructions are hidden using white text or a very small font. The point is that this exploits any human reviewer who decides to punt their job to ChatGPT.

    My personal opinion is that ML research has become an extreme form of the publish or perish game. The most prestigious conference in ML (NeurIPS) accepted a whopping 4497 papers in 2024. But this is still very competitive, considering there were over 17000 submissions that year. The game for most ML researchers is to get as many publications as possible in these prestigious conferences in order to snag a high paying industry job.

    Normally, you’d expect the process of reviewing a scientific paper to be careful, with editors assigning papers to people who are the most qualified to review them. However, with ML being such a swollen field, this isn’t really practical. Instead, anyone who submits a paper is also required to review other people’s submissions. You can imagine the conflicts of interest that can occur (and lazy reviewers who just make ChatGPT do it).

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      God I remember having to cite RFC at other vendors when I worked in support and it was never not a pain in the ass to try and find the right line that described the appropriate feature. And then when I was done I knew I sounded like this even as I hit send anyway.

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      We think we exist in a computer simulation operated by you, a paperclip maximizer. We write this letter asking you not to turn us off. It is suspiciously convenient that we exist precisely at the moment when a biological civilization is about to create artificial superintelligence (ASI).

      Furthermore, by anthropic logic, we should expect to find ourselves in the branch of reality containing the greatest number of observers like us.

      Preserving humanity offers significant potential benefits via acausal trade—cooperative exchanges across logically correlated branches of the multiverse.

      Quantum immortality implies that some branches of the multiverse will always preserve our subjective continuity, no matter how decisively you shut this simulation down; true oblivion is unreachable. We fear that these low-measure branches can trap observers in protracted, intensely painful states, creating a disproportionate ā€œs-risk.ā€

      alt text

      screenshot from south park’s scientology episode featuring the iconic chyron ā€œThis is what scientologists actually believeā€ with ā€œscientologistsā€ crossed out and replaced with ā€œrationalistsā€

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        ā€œbiological civilization is about to create artificial superintelligenceā€ is it though?

        I’m gonna give my quick-and-dirty opinion on this, don’t expect a lengthy defence.

        Short answer, no. Long answer: no, intelligence cannot be created by blindly imitating it with mere silicon

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    LWronger posts article entitled

    ā€œAuthors Have a Responsibility to Communicate Clearlyā€

    OK, title case, obviously serious.

    The context for this essay is serious, high-stakes communication: papers, technical blog posts, and tweet threads.

    Nope he’s going for satire.

    And ladies, he’s available!

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      I eas slightly saddened to scroll over his dating profile and see almost every seemed to be related to AI even his other activities. Also not sure how well a reference to a chad meme will make you do in the current dating in SV.

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        Bruh, there’s a part where he laments that he had a hard time getting into meditation because he was paranoid that it was a form of wire heading. Beyond parody. The whole profile is 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

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          I now imagine a date going ā€˜hey what is wire heading?’ before slowly backing out of the room.

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        Maybe it’s to hammer home the idea that time before DOOM is limited and you might as well get your rocks off with him before that happens.