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Good intentions and all, but the full video context (the vehicle just keeps going and the blocker moves out of the way after several seconds of nudging) makes this a terrible example that only reinforces the sense of futility, in my opinion.
Not saying not to stand and fight, but this isn’t the posterchild to use.
Perception is more powerful than reality. You think the tankman from china actually accomplished much. But he is still a symbol today.
I still find it so odd the tank didn’t want to run him over, when just the day before they had tanks running over hundreds of bodies over and over to the point where they could just spray the remains with a fire hose into the sewer.
When there are many people, you don’t have to look at individual faces. When it is one calm and harmless man, you can find the tank driver is human too. The driver was probably execured or something for not running the guy over.
I realize that. But there are countless current examples of real resistance and sacrifice that could have been used instead.
But do they have the same optics. Will they be perceived like this one? Probably not.
Okay post a really good picture right here in the thread.
It’s more than any of us have done. Often, genuine actions and words are much stronger than any impact they may initially have.
Nothing about how this was presented is genuine though, and that’s my point.
And plenty have done more. People are constantly martyred fighting back, in part because they have been actually willing to die for their cause. Any one of them could have been used as a more authentic representation of resistance than this… and have more of an impact because it’s not a cherry-picked, out-of-context fabrication.
I realize we’re post-truth, but jeez.
We can’t keep fighting with the weapons of yesterday. Like it or not, propaganda is a part of resistance. Look back at all the WW2 propaganda in the US and the UK. We must take control of the message.
I don’t disagree, propaganda is always part of it. But use something less flimsy (if not outright contradictory when viewed in context) because this particular example loses “control of the message” with the slightest bit of scrutiny. If it’s going to be a fabrication then just use a piece of art, a rumor, or at least something vague/unverifiable rather than a single frame of an easily available video that shows the opposite of what is implied.
Perception is reality, but if you build it out of twigs then it’ll become a liability that will do more harm than good.
The blocker pussied out in the end? Was about to get his own Tiananmen moment but decided that taking a stand for what’s right should only come when personally safe to do so
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what does that even mean?
It means that of you think he did it wrong then you should go out there and do it right yourself.
I’ll leave that for any Americans left. Fix your own country. Call me when this fascist takeover shit is happening in Ottawa.
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Just another American wanting a foreigner to do all the work, eh? Typical.
Tankman travels through time!
One person stopping a vehicle, the other judging the people in the vehicle like a disappointed parent.
“Do your mothers know what you’re doing?”
“Would your Grandmother be happy with you right now?”
“You aren’t being the neighbor that Fred Rogers knew you could be!”
I’m always amazed at how powerful that single sentence is to almost all Americans.
Unfortunately, many conservatives hated Mr. Rogers because he told children that they have intrinsic value as people.
Direct link to the actual toot source.
The second image is a bit on the nose IMO. The comparison was clear enough from the original. And yeah maybe some people need it pointed out to them, but I suspect those people are also the ones who will reject the idea regardless.
i didn’t even see the guy in the first picture until i looked at the second and realized what i should be looking for
Huh, fair enough.
Humvee Man
Wait until the tankies come in here and tell you this guy was trying to stop them from leaving and asking them to go back and detain more immigrants while also claiming there were no immigrants there anyways
If you are talking about tank man i can just show you you can clearly see tiananmen square in the background and the direction the tanks are going and where the guy is pointing.
can’t wait for that one guy from .ml to show up and argue that Tiananmen Square was a peaceful protest and post links claiming that there were no deaths recorded there.
You dont need to make a strawman of what mls believe, you can just quote the wikipedia and ignore the claims by countries that have a reason to fabricate hostile evidence. If you want to go further, look at testimonies by witnesses that corroborate the side opposed to where they currently live.
Its also important to try to understand why the chinese feel the issue is contentious and the various perspectives, as opposed to letting the other side tell you how the chinese feel and why.
There is no positive justification for tanks on a city street what the fuck are you even talking about.
it’s a new account of a known tankie. Just block and ignore
There were no deaths recorded there though. Here is what a reporter of the washington post who was in Beijing at the time says about that.
IIRC, The chinese government say 200 something died, and presumably they have more information than a wapo reporter, since they can ask the hospitals and witnesses to verify the police and military reports.
Source?
Some minister, 15 days after the events, according to a paywalled book in 1998, according to wikipedia.
The death toll was certainly greater than zero, theres pictures of dead soldiers and like 2 dozen protestors in the streets surrounding the square.
Ive read parts of the wikipedia page on it and it says the chinese gov states there were around 20 soldiers killed, but it doesnt mention civilians killed, plus a bunch of injured people. That minister really says something about 200 dead?
10 men!
In the U.S, our tanks would run them over
this is in the US
It indeed is in the US, and the Hummer kept moving and would have run the guy over, if he had not stepped aside.
Yes, I was making the comparison to that one event in China to this event (in the u.s) saying that our tanks (literal or metaphorical for a member of a military convoy) would run over our protestors instead of stopping.
I want to see the US soldier who swore to uphold the US Constitution operating a tank run down US citizens on US soil. Then we will know for sure China has won.
What do you mean? Is it china that has forced the usa to be violent to its own citizens?
lol sure
Why does it have to be specifically a tank?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_military_killing_of_American_civilians
china???
Is this the operation where their was child labour of illegal immigrants and then someone started shooting at the ice officers?
LOL, nice try with the blatant dishonest spin. Too bad your attempt to falsely paint ICE as the ‘good guys’ falls flat if you’ve got two brain cells to rub together and realize that they were there to kidnap the workers, not arrest the owners.
You mean unlike using real American citizens’ children as laborers, legally? Because I’m pretty sure the current administration is all for legalizing child labour.
I dunno, last I heard about child labour from the US was all those factories being busted employing children. But I might get it confused with the children being shot in school, or the children with cancer being sent to Auschwitz. Its’ really hard to tell, what I do know is that the Republicans care about children and this is reflected in their actions.
As for shooting ICE, that’s a civic duty.
I believe there’s a whole section in the American Constitution that essentially covers this eventuality.
Who let the racist dirtbag in here? Were the immigrants also eating babies and worshipping Satan according to your source?
Not racist just making sure everyone had the facts.
How is asking a question sharing facts? If you had facts, you would have linked them. You clearly don’t.
Its not my job to educate you. U can see my clearly rhetorical question and use Google to find out that it is in fact true.
You made the claim and you can’t back it up. You just phrased it in the form of a question.
Well, you litterally said you were making sure everyone had the facts. My bad for taking you at your word. “facts” without proof are just opinions.
Facts are still facts regardless of if I’ve provided proof. That’s how objective reality works.
Is it your job to educate yourself? Maybe start there?
So what I’m getting from you is:
“Do your own research on the bile I just vomited into existence because I formed it as a question.”
Fair point I guess. Solid reasoning… Definitely no holes in that.
Unrelated - Your name is, of course, a reference to that tribe that sodomizes children and wears skin suits?
And I’m sure those poor exploited children will be so much happier in El Salvador.
