Other images displayed by Trump during meeting with South African president Cyril Ramaphosa were false or misleading
The evidence of supposed mass killings of white South Africans presented by Donald Trump in a tense White House meeting on Wednesday were in some cases images from the Democratic Republic of Congo, while footage shown during the meeting was falsely portrayed as depicting “burial sites”.
“These are all white farmers that are being buried,” said Trump, holding up a print-out of an article accompanied by a picture during the contentious Oval Office meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa.
The picture accompanying the article was in fact a screengrab of a video published by Reuters on 3 February and subsequently verified by the news agency’s fact check team, showing humanitarian workers lifting body bags in the Congolese city of Goma. The image was pulled from Reuters footage shot after deadly battles with Rwanda-backed M23 rebels.
“Look at me, i am the fake news now” -Dictator Donnie
Now???
- the rest of the world
Doesn’t mean that we don’t have a violence issue in South Africa. Our killing stats are on par with countries at war. Think about that for a minute
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No one is saying that South Africa doesn’t have a violence problem just that “white genocide” is a lie.
Indeed the president of South Africa said exactly that in the meeting.
I recall the SA president saying they do have a violence problem, just not in the way trump is describing it.
Yes sorry I was unclear. The South African president said that South Africa has a violence problem, not just for white farmers.
Any theories why?
Well I did a little research and there was this thing called Apartheid. It sounded pretty bad. Might have something to do with the race relations out there.
I was 6 years old when apartheid ended. My parents and many white people didn’t agree with it. You probably don’t know much about it. I had fuck all to do with it, but because I happen to be white it is my fault?
Our major problem is unemployment, our government policies are not business friendly. Keep hammering at that keyboard pal.
Nowhere in my comment did I say apartheid was your fault. Please read White Fragility and then look in the mirror.
That’s not what he’s saying, he says that due to Apartheid there are still some racial tensions and it’s also a reason for said unemployment and poverty.
It has been 32 years since. Many people still live in poverty if the ANC actually cared about the people they would have sorted out education, but keep the masses uneducated and they will vote for you. A pass rate in SA is 30% to push up pass statistics. A fucking joke.
Make policies that encourage investment and job creation.
Get a police force that is actually competent.
All our SOEs are running at losses and require constant bail outs. Our rail system is fucked. Our energy supply is fucked. Our water supply is near fucked. Our roads are fucked. Way too much corruption causing this. Officials looting money that is meant for the people of the nation. I could go on.
Fix root causes.
But populism over logical policies…
I heard the photos were supplied by the US based neo fucking Nazi group American Tinker.
I don’t think anybody in our federal government that’s in charge of anything has any good intentions at all at this point
Like he can tell the difference.
What about those that weren’t from Congo?
Such as?
This question really shouldn’t be that hard to answer. Here’s the video that was shown at the Whitehouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLDl3mblm-c
Video of the full meeting (I set the link to skip ahead to the part where the TV is brought in) if you want to see President Cyril Ramaphosa’s reaction to it: https://odysee.com/@NTD:2/live-trump-holds-bilateral-meeting-2:5?t=1313
Besides the video of the crosses along the road, there are video clips of the Economic Freedom Fighter’s leader, Julius Malema calling for a bloody revolution as well as chanting with large crowds to “kill the Boer” (white man/farmer).
There are no timestamps/locations for any of the video clips, but it looks like this guy founded the Economic Freedom Fighters back in 2013.
Edit: typo
Yeah, all of this is explained in the article.
Yes and you were the one asking the questions about things that are explained in the article so I responded with some context.
You’ve misread the conversation. I’m not the one asking for the obvious.
And i like your comment, btw, it’s well written.
Please explain.
Edit: I see your edit… But I must still be misreading the conversation.
Even after double checking the username, you were the one that said, “Such as?”Seeing your edit:
Yes. Such as what are you talking about? Because the article clearly explained it. If you follow the conversation it’s clear what i was asking for.
It doesn’t matter. They’re still denying trump lied about it, so I was right in my original assumptions of them.
I edited my reply a little.
The person i was talking to is the one that hasn’t read the article and it’s asking questions in bad faith. I was asking them to clarify what was confusing them, basically, Knowing they were asking in bad faith.
The one was a picture of a large number of crosses which Trump said was a burial site for 1000s of white farmers, when it was in fact a memorial following the death of 2 farmers. The memorial was intended to represent all farm deaths of all races. Farm deaths are an issue but the victims are of all races - they kill the farmers, their families and the workers.
There was a video of a political leader singing a song that translates to “Kill the Boer” i.e. kill the white Afrikaans farmer. This video is: a) more than a decade old, b) from a rally of a minority opposition party i.e. not the political party of the people Trump was meeting, c) from a political party that has been losing votes in recent elections, led by someone who was expelled from the ruling party, d) is of a historic protest song from the apartheid era i.e. more than 30 years ago.
This video resulted in a court case, where the court concluded that a “reasonably well-informed person” would understand that when a protest song is sung “even by politicians, the words are not meant to be understood literally, nor is the gesture of shooting to be understood as a call to arms or violence.”
This video was a big deal at the time but it’s not current, not representative of the government’s view, and the person depicted in it is increasingly being sidelined in South African politics.
While Trump is definitely exaggerating what’s happening there, I think you’re downplaying it a bit too much.
This video is: a) more than a decade old,
There were multiple videos, but the concerning part here is it looks like even in recent rallies Julius Malema has continued with this chant: https://web.archive.org/web/20250502020122/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/world/africa/south-africa-kill-boer-song.html
It is ridiculous that there were no dates/locations for anything in these clips given what Trump is trying to claim here.
b) from a rally of a minority opposition party i.e. not the political party of the people Trump was meeting,
Yes, but it’s worth pointing out that the EFF is still one of the more popular parties. The 3rd or 4th largest party from what I can tell based on this list (and from what other articles have mentioned). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Africa
It is good to hear that someone like him is increasingly being sidelined.
Thanks for pointing out the court case. After a little digging it looks like the court has ruled on this more than once. Back in 2011 they found him guilty of hate speech for the chant: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-malema/south-africa-court-finds-malema-guilty-of-hate-speech-idUSTRE78B2DD20110912/
And in 2022 the courts ruled that the chant should not be taken literally.
That chant when coupled with statements to his supporters such as “never be afraid to kill” is still alarming.
It reeks of “it was just a joke, bro” energy and what fascists try to do when they are testing the waters.
As I said, the song was a really big deal when it happened, there was a massive outcry. I believe the incident took place in 2013, the year Malema founded his party. His platform absolutely runs on hatred of white people, and this was a way for him to gain political relevance.
The objections to Malema singing the song went through the courts, as they should, and Malema had to go all the way to the Supreme Court of Appeal. (The final judgement is from 2024.) I would assume that he sang it again after that but honestly try to ignore him as much as possible.
However, there was no point in Trump showing videos of Malema to the South African delegation. They had nothing to do with it. In fact, the ANC promised in 2012 never to sing that protest song again (it was originally one of their protest songs).
More importantly, this video is not evidence of a white genocide, past, present, or planned.
Edit to add: The reality is that there is a notable segment of the population that is angry. The economy is bad, unemployment is crazy high, electricity is insufficient (load shedding is a disaster), violent crime remains high, etc. It’s easier for them to keep blaming white people than acknowledge that it’s been 30 years of black rule now. Malema is a symptom of these issues. A meaningful discussion around this topic would have been valuable, but that’s not what Trump did.
Shared with me from a South African friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqvp1FOir4Y
“Liar tells several lies, claims they are truth.”
“Okay, but what else did he say? Maybe we should listen to the liar?”
Oops, you weren’t supposed to ask about those.
Which ones are those? Care to point them out?
So far only one of them appeared to be from congo. What about the rest? Are we going to throw it all out because one was from Congo, and because a memorial mistaken for a burial site (literally makes no difference)
It’s a government official making a claim based on easily verifiable bad evidence, so if the whole thing wasn’t suspect before, it most certainly is now, right? Why should we give the benefit of the doubt? Not only has the administration not earned that right, they’ve shown over and over again that they don’t extend that benefit to anyone else.
It fucking amazes me that we don’t hold our leaders to a higher standard, and it worries me that people don’t seem to want to.
If it is easily verifiable, then how about we verify it right now? So what about those other cases not from Congo?
Why should we give the benefit of the doubt?
Because people are dead, and it is the choice between “ingore” or “start and investigation”
I agree trump is a hack, but I want to know about those other cases.
Try reading the article for starters.
I did read it. It is one of those articles with a clear political bias, trying to spin the story as if all of it is false because one thing was false. Anyone eating it up is doing so because they either can’t think for themselves or don’t want to.
Are you done following me around in this thread?
What are the other ones exactly?
That’s what we’re asking. Can you stop?
Im asking you which you’re talking about. Everyone else already knows the answer.
“The evidence of supposed mass killings of white South Africans presented by Donald Trump in a tense White House meeting on Wednesday were in some cases images from the Democratic Republic of Congo, while footage shown during the meeting was falsely portrayed as depicting “burial sites”.”
“In some cases” means less than a majorty of the cases. We’re talking about the rest. Do you and “everyone else” know something about these other ones we don’t?
Lying liar lies again.
You can tell he is lying because he’s talking
Honestly, I don’t know if he’s knowingly lying or just genuinely fucking stupid.
In his defence (feels dirty and weird typing that) he’s probably being lied to. I have very little clue about the legitimacy of information I get on world news, as everybody has an agenda and misinformation is so easy to create and disseminate. If he’s got to be on the case with basically every issue, he’ll just be getting fed information and has to trust that his advisors know what they’re doing. I wouldn’t bother fact checking everything if I were in that position, there’s simply not enough hours in the day.
Of course he’s also a confirmed liar and a known prick so who knows.
Fun fact, it’s both! He knows he’s lying all the time and doesn’t care. He’s also stupid.
That is certainly a fact, but I’m not sure I’d consider it a fun one.
My theory is that he’s so narcissistic that he genuinely believes every thought that comes into his mind is the truth.
This is the right answer. Life has already shown him that operating on a level playing field and being honest, really doesn’t get a guy like him very far. So the genius workaround is to lie your pants off instead, and build an alternative environment around yourself where you can’t lose.
Fascists can never admit that they’re wrong, becauae then their vaneer of being infallible immediately falls apart.
I still remember back in 2015-2016 when 4chan called Trump “God Emperor.” That mentality hasn’t gone away. Fascism is a cult.
The only “truth” that fascists believe is the “truth” of the fascist leader. Trump even calls his social media platform “Truth Social” FFS. It couldn’t be more blatent.
he would have said that these were real coffins for white farmers children if they didn’t have the palestinian flag on them.
Also doesn’t mean that the radical party EFF lead by Julius Malema (also known as Cunt) does not sing Kill the Boer at the rallies. Boer is Afrikaans for a farmer, it is also common slang for a white Afrikaner. If you think that is ok to do, you can fuck right off.
That’s a far cry from genocide though
Kill the Boar
I’ll be honest with you I don’t give a god damn fuck. Kids getting bombed in Gaza, whatever trump cares about I do not. if he cares about white African farmers I do not.
My comment had nothing to say about Gaza. But OK I understand your view, killing of some is ok…
Can you point me to any examples of white genocide in South Africa? Surely there would be at least one news article.
Look at my other comment. I said their is a massive violence problem in south Africa. It’s a fact. When you have 25000 killings in a year that is not normal. Children, old women being raped and hacked to death. Anyone for that matter is not OK. You all don’t understand the situation you choose what you want to read, when you have family or friends that have been killed violently let’s talk again. Keep banging at those keyboards. At least my country had the balls to take Israel to the icj. I fucking dare one of you to spend 6 months here, I bet you wouldn’t last a fucking week.
Edit: here is one https://iol.co.za/sunday-tribune/news/2022-12-04-son-says-parents-were-soft-targets-in-farm-killing/
Where did I deny the violence in South Africa? I don’t deny that at all, and I sympathize with your plight as someone in the USA. I’m calling you out for conflating it with genocide, which is a terrible lie being pushed by really shitty people on the right.
It doesn’t matter what you said, I’m speaking about the goals of Trump which are part of what you’re talking about and my point stands.
If there was a button that I could press and kill one white African to save one person in Gaza I’d be pressing it all day long. White Africans are fine, often descendants of assholes and usually assholes themselves. They’re fine
If there’s a continent where white genocide is justified, Africa sure is a front runner!
Well
Where is Congo?
Is it in the north?
I rest my case /s
A lot of really distateful comments here, genuinely surprised they weren’t deleted by mods
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I once got into an argument with a south African on reddit about white genocide. Even over there it’s a political issue, but the way he and many people describe it makes it seem like if you even set foot there as a white person you’ll get mugged.
I was saying I lived there for six months, spent a lot of town in the townships where it was only black people, and I legit never once was harmed. Yeah it’s dangerous but like, they act like they’ve never been in a dangerous neighborhood in the states.
But because I was an American sharing this perspective and they were South African, I got relentlessly shamed by redditors. To be fair I get where they’re coming from. If you have no clue about the issue and someone from another country trying to say something said about that persons own country is BS, it doesn’t look good. But it’s literally a political topic and he was coming at it from the extreme right perspective. Because I’m an American, like a dozen people took away from that thread that white genocide is real.
Quick, post it a third time
It just applies in so many situations!!! 🤷♂️
funny how the racists come out in the comments as soon as any thread mentions white genocide.
