• dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      That’s the neat part. It’s weaponized feigned incompetence.

      After Noem got the definition of Habeus Corpus exactly wrong in a recent hearing, some Lemmings have suggested that the RNC stooges in power are all playing dumb. Now, I can’t unsee it. It makes sense: play dirty because your aims are underhanded and illegal, and your opposition is both outraged and busy attacking the wrong thing. Every time we all get in a fit about how stupid this sounds, which takes up valuable space and time from doing anything useful.

      Edit: it’s like a misbehaving kid that knows if he keeps telling the right kind of lie he can get away with just about anything.

      Edit2: In Greene’s case, her “argument” is also signaling being a “useful idiot” to her base for getting the job done.

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    The fuck does she think indoctrination means? Oh that’s right, they’ve long given up arguing in good faith. There is no rational point to be made, I always forget that.

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    Cons are the stupidest fucks this side of alpha fucking centauri.

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    I may agree with Olbermann here but let’s not forget:

    Yes I know my enemies

    They’re the teachers who taught me to fight me

    Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission

    Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite

    All of which are American dreams

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      18 days ago

      Came on shuffle the other day and inspired me to pickup the guitar for a couple hours and annoy the crap out of my kid

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    18 days ago

    But no point if the education system doesn’t want to teach you but get you more ready for the work force.

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      People say this all the time like it’s some edgy gotcha.

      And while Public education in the United States did really come to full fruition during the industrial revolution, and does do a lot to prepare a person for the workforce, noting not all school are the same…

      …I am fully greatful my little rural New England School did a good job teaching me critical thinking. I really loved learning as I grew up and had many fantastic teachers.

      To note, over the last 25 years, education funding, for whatever reason, is funded…but poorly. My son is in middle school, I’ve noticed he doesn’t have music class. They have a band and chorus as extracurriculars, but no music theory/history class like I did. I was the last class group to take home economics, and there is no computer class either. Every kid has a Chromebook, but no one is watching a Sweeny Todd on stage, or picking a composer to write a report on. No kid is sewing a teddy bear or making pizza cookies, and they don’t have general computer instruction. My son is in special education, so it’s hard to gauge one to one, but I definitely feel like his quality of education is less than when I was in middle school 25 years ago, especially when we look at “specials”, for what its worth. And this disappoints me.

      But education as I see, is not “just to get you ready for the workforce” though that is part of it. A lot of teachers really care, and try to help kids find joy in learning, even still today. Well rounded schooling is important for children to become individuals with the power of critical thought beyond the scope of preparing them to work in a factory.

      School where I went, and were my son goes, definitely fit “you get out what you put in”.

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        Not as long as the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society. You treat special cases but on average it’s a workforce. You know the Ontario government has an investment plan for higher education because society financially benefits from more intelligent people?

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          I dont see how the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society, here in the states.

          I do see a cultural tendency to associate wealth with success. A notion that confuses me and I dont subscribe to, however is very prevalent here.

          In the early 2000 the focus was college prep. College was marketed as the average persons line to success (wealth).

          Today I think a lot of teachers are just trying to get through the day. The United States education, in my area, seemed to have peaked when I was in school. When the Bush administration passed the “no child left behind” act… I’ve since watched education go in the shitter. It should have been called “pass every student no matter what”. Also around 2010 they switched from teaching 5/6 year olds phonics and instead tried “sight words” for a time. A massive failure. I believe they have gone back to phonics now, I hope.

          In the states, schools sign contracts with tech companies to supply chrombooks to each student, but like I mentioned, dont teach music composition anymore. Students of today, it’s been noted to me by professionals I work with, absolutely have less tolerance for difficult things than the students 20 years ago. But in my discussions, it’s not evident why. Even children with low/no/modersted screen time stuggle with task tolerance. So I don’t know.

          I do know my state (2nd or 3rd state in the country for quality of k-12 education) now has public community college education available for free, or nearly nothing. Ive seen the flyers and buildings, I don’t know much about it, but I’m proud my state is offering alternatives to the large expensive universities. They are trying very hard to invest in the the everyday person here.

          Just lay off “school is just a place you are trained to be a worker” alluding it is not important or meaningful outside of training machine cogs. It’s a juvenile thought made with little consideration to other invaluable educational experiences within childhood education. The purpose of school is to have an intelligent, healthy society capable of critical thought so that we may uphold democracy and society as a whole. Have we swayed from this in the last 10,15, 20 years? A good question. But I’ve heard the school/worker machines comment for longer than that.

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          Not as long as the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society.

          Well, it’s not. We outsourced the bulk of our heavy industry to East Asia 30 years ago.

          Now the most important thing to our society is sales and marketing.

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    Meaning, she at least recognizes that more education = less radical views? Which is… counter her point of indoctrination.

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    What’s especially fucking dumb is the argument of ‘hurr money out of your pocket’. That shit goes right out the god damned window the second you look at where our taxes go i.e. the budget. Of what we overall pay education is laughably low.

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      Por when you think about it for more than one second. You went to school. If it wasn’t paid out of taxes it would have had (not a native English speaker, imnot sure if have had is right) to be paid LITERALLY out of your own pocket

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        its so fucking stupid

        anti-tax crazies must think schools and roads are natural phenomenon, and governments made up taxes because fuck you

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          If you ever want to be angry at the internet download a nostr client. 70% of posts are about bitcoin so you have to block those. After that filter a huge percentage are anti-taxxers, homophones and pro trump. That’s why I left it

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      the military industrial complex gobbling up a sizable chunk of your tax dollars:

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    She’s got a BA from University of Georgia.

    This isn’t an education problem. It’s pure propaganda and the allure of selling out on social media.

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      Give someone 1000$ and them it is for the group they manage But the trick is they can choose how much to give and keep the rest. Maga be keeping it all.

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      Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968 with a bachelor’s degree in economics.

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      We’re all going to run headlong into a very difficult inflection point in human development as a species very, very soon. Which is the looming divide between people who have no idea how their own minds work, and those who have even a shred of self-awareness.

      And not a “facebook/twitter argument” type of self-awareness, but understanding that your intelligence and your understanding of things are entirely separate factors. We are species of cognitive dissonance. It’s baked-in. Everyone, even YOU personally reading this, has some level of contradictory ideas or feelings that you can’t pry apart without effort.

      Some people think about how they think, and come to conclusion that they need to make effort to balance out their values and understanding of the world. Other people are going “brain go vroom” and conclude any idea they have, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it aligns with how they feel at that moment, MUST be true because they still think brains are fact-finding machines, not story-telling machines. This is why we have anti-vax doctors and climate-change-denying scientists (although rare) which is because they live in reaction and story-telling, not reason. If anything, education can make it much, much harder to break out of story-telling-reaction mode, because you think your own thoughts far less fallible.

      So yeah, education is only part of the problem. We are going to have to figure out ways to teach people self-awareness, how to think about their own thoughts, or we’re going to have billions of brains rotting in an AI/social-media/emotional-porn cesspit in the next decade and they vote and carry guns.

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        It reminds me of the “missing missing reasons” post, which describes how for some people reality creates emotions, but for other people emotions create reality

        The first viewpoint, “emotion creates reality,” is truth for a great many people. Not a healthy truth, not a truth that promotes good relationships, but a deep, lived truth nonetheless. It’s seductive. It means that whatever you’re feeling is just and right, that you’re never in the wrong unless you feel you’re in the wrong. For people whose self-image is so battered and fragile that they can’t bear anything but validation, often it feels like the only way they can face the world.

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    Federally funded school from age 3 to 20 doesn’t sound like education

    Yes it does, you bleached Wookie, it sounds exactly like education.

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    Schools are for indoctrinating children, guys. Train them to fight their biology, conform to a factory setting, and have knowledge presented as something frustrating and difficult obtain. You guys just want them indoctrinated the “correct way” from teachers s stupid and out of date as you are.

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      Hmmm, let’s see.

      The history of education, like other history, extends at least as far back as the first written records recovered from ancient civilizations. Historical studies have included virtually every nation.

      The earliest known formal school was developed in Egypt’s Middle Kingdom under the direction of Kheti, treasurer to Mentuhotep II (2061-2010 BC)

      Username checks out.

      Seriously, I get it, education systems are often extremely flawed, but education has a long and storied history of being the root of all of humanity’s progress.

      We need to do better for our children, but that doesn’t include fundamentally incorrect extremes like “formal schooling is bad”.

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    MTG IS astoundingly stupid. Boebert couldn’t manage to complete high school. Noem seems to think Habeas Corpus is the name the orange guy gave his “kick anyone out” croquet mallet. Just 3 among many, of the losers who seem to be in charge right now.