• Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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      Basically. I mean there’s a bit more to it than that but it’s the core idea. It’s also the goal of several tech oligarchs which is why he doesn’t want the peons to be able to talk about it.

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    Shut down and delete your data on your US tech accounts. Their business’s are worthless without our accounts.

    It’s a process, start today! With the easy ones and work towards the hard ones.

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    That makes sense. I bet lobbyist play a big roll into that. Is it the lobbyists jobs that are bad or the way and the people who take the jobs are bad?

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    Everyone needs to GTFO facebook. We can hardly do it because every other HOA and School PTA is there, but we get stop using messenger and stop having personal discussions over there.

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      Contact those places and ask for an alternative -the less people participate the quieter the discussions the more likely they are to at least try to switch over if they start feeling some pressure.

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      Don’t accept it when organizations require you to sign up and hand over personal information to private and commercial third parties. Requiring Facebook is an active attempt at curbing participation.

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      Yeah, I dumped facebook right after the election but unfortunately most of my friends and family are only on WhatsApp.

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    I’ve been reading a little about this concept and can’t see how it would work in reality. Sure, the Feds could “set aside” some land for one of these assholes to set up a new city. But that area would still be under the concurrent jurisdiction of a state and county. And not even the Feds can exempt a city from a state’s regulatory environment. In fact most of the things these billionaires are trying to get away from (labor laws, building codes, etc) are state regulations in the first place.

    Frankly no billionaire is going to want to live in the middle of South Dakota, no matter how “free” it supposedly is.

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      It won’t be the Billionaires who have to live in places like South Dakota, it will be their workers/slaves who will.

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      Everyone seems to forget a bunch of tech bros bought almost $1B worth of land in Solano County CA with the stated goal of building a new city. It made national headlines for a bit as the buyer was initially a mystery and it’s near Travis Air Force base so there was concern it was foreign actors.

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        Rich people trying to buy land for their own slice of paradise goes way back. Solano County is recent history, young squire. I go back to the Free State project from 2001, same song and dance. Or the non-government wet dream of Sealand off the coast of England in 1987, ditto. And if one wants to go even more old school than that, look at the rich Confederate plantation owners that went to Brazil after the CSA fell in 1865. You can even go down to the town of Americana every year and celebrate the Confederacy! These fuckers wanted to deny that they lost so badly that they created a false reality in Brazil.

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      I believe the idea is that Trump is likely to sell our national parks to them.

      That’s the current conspiracy gossip I believe.

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    Oh, this is the 15-minute cities they’re scared of.

    Fucking insane how these people twist a good idea in to something evil, then support the evil version of that idea.

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      Really I’d wager it’s more Snow Crash myself, it’s a book that most of these Silicon Valley guys would have grown up with.

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        Cyberpunk 2077 was just a continuation of Cyberpunk 2020, which came out before Snow Crash.

        In reality, I think the tech bros pull from all sorts of media and don’t restrict themselves to just one bible.

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          That’s a good point. Snow Crash does lean heavily into the metaverse in a way that is very aligned with Zuckerberg’s concept of it. I remember early interviews with some silicon valley guys and when Stephenson was the darling out there l, like with the early Xbox guys or Google Earth.

          Maybe Cyberpunk was popular too but just didn’t break through to more mainstream news.

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    I had never heard about the “Network State” concept before, but now I hate it, because Zuckerberg sure as hell loves it

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    Fucking shit article.

    Different network state to Bilajis? Since that was always opt in afaik.

    From the website from the book.

    A network state is a highly aligned online community with a capacity for collective action that crowdfunds territory around the world and eventually gains diplomatic recognition from pre-existing states.

    https://thenetworkstate.com/

    Seems like zuck trying to take the Name again like he came up with it, eg Meta.

    Networks are opt in, just like meta product’s.

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      Years ago I thought Balaji was a genius. But now he’s just a rich guy who thinks just because he’s smart and has a a crowd he can weigh in on everything.

      The idea that a “network state” where an on-line community using NFTs as passports to sleep on each other’s couch would somehow be recognized by actual countries makes for a cool sci-fi plot (I’d read that!). But it has no place in reality.

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        Neal Stephenson, “The Diamond Age”. Probably the post-cyberpunk novel. Within the setting the existence and status of phyles is certainly well-grounded, actually quite analogous to bog-standard cyberpunk – instead of corporations supplanting nation states because they do manage to be more powerful there’s a mixture of weak nation states and value/ideology-based tribes which constitute full societies not mere corporations, and have different power specialisations. If you have enough economical power, engineering prowess, hacking prowess, reasoning is that you can not just go toe to toe with nation states you can force concessions.

        Also side note there’s entities which are not nation states which are (almost) universally recognised as sovereign by proper states: The Holy See, and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. The latter is more of a protocol quirk, the Holy See actually works actively for that status by being a diplomatic powerhouse without any real-world power to back it up, opens quite a couple of diplomatic doors which would otherwise be closed. They use it to mediate and get stuff like human cloning banned on the UN level, aware that they can’t actually push Catholic doctrine (most of the world wouldn’t care), but need to convince.

        That all said though yes the fever dreams of cryptobros have no place in reality. They’re not CryptNet, they just like to larp as it.

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      They’re not opt-in when the government is fully captured. They’re not opt-in like every battle against corporate takeover we’ve lost over the last several decades, from net neutrality to effective monopolies to Musk wreaking havoc in the government.

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      Tech fascists see America’s democracy and financial system as collapsing.

      That’s because you’re the one breaking it down

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      It’s fascist city states that market themselves as tax free libertarian, likely hedonistic. Tech has little (maybe ultra deregulated healthcare) to do with anything other than billionaires who came from tech get to decide who is allowed in. This is a model in Israel and Arab kingdoms with less hedonism, but high slavery levels.

      The US is definitely on path to collapse. Current administration is accelerating it. Gifting federal lands to become tax havens is setting it to 11.

      Many of these tech bros also talk about an actual solution: Freedom dividends. High tax libertarianism with freedom for all. Power redistribution. Don’t compete for jobs we can’t do as well as China or robots. Or spend on/promote war. Freedom dividends ends crimes and makes fair labour markets. Fascism and slavery as the “libertarian utopian phoenix from ashes of US” is going to be straight mad max fascism and slavery instead of utopia.

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    This man has a bunker and everything. He’s scared shitless and he is ready to hide. Their assets need to be seized and accounts drained

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      That’s not a joke, ALL these dudes have extensive doomsday prep. Secure facilities, staffed and stocked. There’s a ton of reporting on it. They’re gonna fare a LOT better than we are if shit gets really outta hand. Unless we do something about them before it gets to that point, anyway.

      Edit: added a detail

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        If you had billions, wouldn’t you have a prepper facility? Even if there were no global warming or political upheaval, it’s common sense when you have money like that.

        “Hey, want to build a doomsday shelter for .0001% of your net worth?”

        “Meh, why not.”

        They don’t necessarily have to see bad times coming is my point.

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          No? If I ACTUALLY wanted to ride out through some sort of apocalypse, a bunker ain’t gonna cut it. I would bankroll and actively participate in a fully self-sustaining off-the-grid community. Rich people always forget the second part, probably because they are psychopaths. Remember that article where they were asking about putting shock collars on their bunker security guys? If they literally just got beers with them once a week, they’d probably shoot all the migrants you ask them to. It’s an irony that they consider their time ‘too valuable’ for that, as it turns out that the one thing you can’t buy is a sense of community.

          Of course, I would endeavor to not own several billion dollars of stolen property in the first place, but different strokes.

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          I would too, but I would also be worried about the idea of being sealed in. Concrete is cheap. So is welding and thermite.

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          You are correct, but also when you look at the aggregate of their behavior and goals (both stated and implied) you have to reach the conclusion that they WANT to use the bunker. Or want a scenario in which it becomes useful.

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            The scary part is that you might be wrong, they may not even realize they’re causing it and are just stuck in a loop of “number go up”

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              Yeah, I feel like most of them are stuck in ‘number go up’, but I also think that the desire to make your investment ‘worth it’ gets stronger the more money you pour into a bunker system.

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      His bunker on a Hawaiian Island. Dude really wants to be far away from everything when shit pops off.

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        Yeah because when I think about kicking off world wars, the last locale on my mind is Hawaii

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        What I’m hearing is that after we overthrow the government and Destroy capitalism we have to dig him out of a bunker in Hawaii and put him on trial

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          dig him out of a bunker in Hawaii and put him on trial

          Just weld the door closed. Problem solved.

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          Or, hold a trial, and if convicted, we seal him in his bunker and bury it and cut it off from all outside contact. And depending on the severity of his conviction, plugging up every “air hole” could go along as capital punishment. Give him a very twilight zone ending, he wanted to hide in his bunker, and now he’ll spend the rest of his life in it, however long that may be.

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        Bunker on a tropical island you say? Don’t worry, I know of some people that have some notes on that. Any secrets he has about that thing are practically out by now.

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          This is either a shit post or I’m looking at something glowing radioactive hot and I can’t tell which.

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      The native Hawaiians should reclaim their land he stole so he doesn’t have a bunker anymore