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In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden’s strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

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    Of course he did. Trump would never stand up to a bully, he would never defend the weak against the nasty. That would take courage, but Trump has only cowardice and sycophacny for bullies.

    Trump is a person who sucks up to bullies, and punches down on the bullied, through and through.

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    “They’re saying ‘the war is tomorrow’ – this causes panic on the market and elsewhere," Zelensky, Jan 2022 in response to US warnings of imminent Russian invasion.

    Zelensky didn’t “choose to fight” because Russia insisted there would be no fight right up until it crossed the border. It would’ve been considered a sneak attack but for the US telling everyone Russia was invading for a full month in advance. There was no choice offered to Zelensky and never has been since, unless you count Russia’s current stance of basically “give us all your weapons and maybe then we’ll negotiate”/

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    You might not believe me but anyone can just walk into maralargo. Trump won’t have you trespassed, he will offer you a cash deal to leave. Trust me, it’s true. Ez money.

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      This is why he’s having such a hard time getting Musk to leave. How do you make a problem go away when your only problem solving skill is bribery and your problem is a higher degree of wealth than your bribing power?

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    Does he really believe this, or is this redirected anger because he’s finally figured out that he can’t, in fact, just solve it?

    Probably, Putin told him to pound sand, and then OPEC basically just ignored him when collapsing oil prices was the next idea.

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      Putin didn’t tell him to pound sand. Putin holds the leash. Everything Donald Trump says and does is to advance Russian interests.

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        I see little evidence of that. At most Putin has a small amount of leverage on him. Basically, there’s just a lot of stuff good for Putin Trump could do but doesn’t.

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            He also has been publicly threatening to economically destroy Russia for the last week, so there, a bit of evidence both ways.

            Meanwhile, he could order assassinations in Ukraine if he wanted to and nobody could stop him.

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              Trump says a lot of shit. He also said Ukraine shouldn’t have fought back.

              Actions speak louder than words.

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                His pro-Russia actions are way more weak than I would allow if I were Putin and actually controlled him, though.

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                  Because of the separation of powers and checks and balances we have in the US, he doesn’t have unilateral power to do whatever he wants. He can typically only inch toward Putin’s goals. Why do you think he is trying to weaken our relationships with our allies through tariffs and talk of land grabs?

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                  In less than a week, he’s fucked up relations with Mexico, Canada and the EU. California had proposed secession. In less than a week. This is all Putin’s marching orders, being enacted in broad daylight, and your response is “kinda weak”?

                  At least you’ve kept your head warm this winter, placing it firmly up your backside as you’ve obviously done.

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    Well yeah, and now he’s taking this move from Putin’s playbook for Greenland. He’s at the “people in Greenland would rather be US citizens” stage. Putin did the same thing in the beginning when talking about the territories in Ukraine he wanted to take.

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    I’m kinda getting a “if you’re getting raped just lay back and take it” vibe from this.

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        And freaking why? When people are still struggling with basic shit like food insecurity in the borders we already have.

        I know I’m asking this rhetorically and it’s all ridiculous it’s just…why???

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          Why?

          In his mind size of territory is a measurement for the success of a civilization. And he views the U.S. as the greates civilization. He stated that in his inauguration speech. Access to the arctic circle controls trade routes, or this is what his advisors told him.

          how this might have happened speculation

          In my mind it went like this:

          1. Advisor: Mr. Trump the antarctic will be extremely strategically important.
          2. Trump: Nods
          3. Trump (in his mind): He is saying I should take over the entire Northern territory of Canada and Greenland.
          4. Advisor (in his mind): I wonder what he is thinking?
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          The one common thread I see is trading routes and security.

          There are articles suggesting new trade routes will open in the antarctic so that maybe explains Greenland and Canada.

          As for Mexico, maybe the gulf of Mexico?

          At the same time he is trying to start a trade war. Maybe in his mind American is so unavoidable market that china for example will pay the tariffs, but as European is it easy to see the time of America market supremacy is going away fast.

          All my opinion and speculation of course.

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            Thanks for your insight. That at least sheds a tiny bit of logic on this insanity.

            Yeah. As a U.S person it’s unsettling watching an empire crumble around you without much way out when you wanted to just do your thing and get along in life like anybody else. * Sigh*

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      C’mon, if we’re doing WWII analogies he doesn’t get to be an allied leader, even if Chamberlain was a really bad one.

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    I can’t imagine what would have satisfied Russia other than complete surrender. Ukraine had few other options than to fight. Uphill as their battle may have been.

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    Trump is chose to continue giving aide to Ukraine. This is just bullshit so he can appear to be trying to lower taxes

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      I wouldn’t be so confident about that, considering that Trump is known to spew so much bullshit that the truth is hard to parse from it.