• just_another_person@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      She’s not a threat, she’s running a spoiler campaign to siphon votes. She’s deliberately exploiting a system to affect an outcome.

      That’s like me showing up outside your house and job and plastering “UniversalMonk wants to diddle your kids” posters everywhere. Whether it’s true or not is irrelevant if someone believes the bullshit and subscribes to the idea.

      Being a threat would actually take effort to run a real campaign with real ideas.

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        She’s deliberately exploiting a system to affect an outcome.

        Then that sounds like Democrats think she’s a threat. If she wasn’t a threat, all of that would be a non-issue. I mean, they have spent money on new ads against her. If they didn’t think she was a thread, they wouldn’t have done that.

        And to your point, if you did that to me with your signs, I would definitely view you as a threat. Regardless of your motivation or the falsehood.

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                But legit or not, if she wasn’t a threat, they’d ignore her. And they are not ignoring her, they just released new ads against her yesterday. So obviously they see her as threat.

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                  She’s a spoiler, not a threat. A threat requires her to hold actual power, which she is not capable of doing without the GOP in her back pocket. She won’t win, she can literally only take votes from the two primary candidates, like every other third party candidate (yes, including whichever flavor you claim to be supporting this afternoon). The Dems are worried about Kamala losing by 100 votes because idiots think that they’re getting a one up by voting third party, when actually all they’re doing is pissing away their vote and empowering a Trump victory.

                  Jill Stein is a GOP operative. That’s all she is. She doesn’t care about Gaza, the climate, or anything else, because if she did she would drop out to avoid a spoiler that would ruin all of those things due to a Trump win. She’s a tool for Trump.

                  ETA: Let me be clear, I don’t give a shit who you, Monk vote for, because you clearly are already a lost cause. My comments to you are always for everyone else who actually cares about not electing a fascist, and never you. Sorry if I confused you by thinking I care about your personal vote or thoughts.

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                Doesn’t matter. And I don’t care, because I’m not voting for Harris or Trump. If the Democrat Party is that scared of some “spoiler effect,” then they shouldn’t be such jerks to people who don’t believe in all the same things they do. Thank you! :)

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      More like pre-emptive blame shifting. Jill Stein voters aren’t going to win or lose this election.

      People who vote for her would just stay home and not vote if she wasn’t on the ballot.

      The issue is Palestine. It’s one of the things young voters mostly care about. And the administrations position on it isn’t going to draw out voters.

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      She’s fucking siphoning votes away from the candidate closest to her supposed views, in a close election where the concept of democracy is at stake. Beyond-obviously. You think you just can just handwave facts away but you never will succeed at that with your campaign of bullshit. You want to imply the threat is that she can win which is laughable. Pretty much all of us see who Shill Stein is.

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        She’s fucking siphoning votes away from the candidate closest to her supposed views

        “Closest” is doing a lot of work there.

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            She’s kind of ideologically incoherent and I’m certainly no supporter of hers, but she is far to the left of both of them.

            Hitler-lite is closer to her position than Hitler-delux, but “closer” is doing a lot of work there.

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              I don’t actually understand her ideology, but the other candidates are literally Hitler

              The Lemmy Lefty archetype in full form.

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                Her ideology is just a mishmash of moral positions, I understand that just fine. I just don’t respect it.

                The other candidates want to do genocide and start a world war, though, which makes them comparable to Hitler.

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                    I consider her policies moralist, I don’t think she has a theoretical foundation.

                    Many of her policies would be at home in a leftwing government, like the jobs guarantee and debt cancellation and the rights to food/housing/healthcare, but that doesn’t make them Leftist. These are just moral positions. I think they’re good, sure, but I don’t think she has a real plan to make them happen.

                    Workers’ party or bust.

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              I don’t understand what point you’re making. My point was clear-- if you actually wanted a small fraction of Stein’s ideas to have a chance, you’d vote for Harris. Lemmy users can pretend all day that spoilers candidates aren’t real but that’s ridiculous, of course they are.

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                Harris is running to the right of Biden in 2020. The point is to emphasize how far she actually is from Stein and that you’re using “closer” in a really loose way to hand-wave the gulf between them. Vote for Harris if you want, but I want you to know you are voting for Hitler-lite to stop Hitler-delux.