David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul.
You and the entirety of reddit in the 2012 election I think. To be fair, there’s plenty liberals and libertarians agree on. Unfortunately, you can share some common beliefs with someone and they can still be a piece of shit.
I was ahead of the curve and liked Ron Paul in early 2008. He made some damn good points about the housing market back in 2007. Turns out he was right and the market collapsed.
That bought him some credibility, but then the Tea Party happened. It was ugly enough that I took a harder look at Paul.
Remember when we thought the tea party was crazy?
Yeah, the moment they started to gain any media attention.
David Duke’s endorsement is a slander, and I think he knows that and uses it intentionally.
In this recent case, yes. I never made a statement one way or the other on that in my comment, though. Being the type of person he is, he has the choice of being either serious or unserious with his endorsements. Putin does the same thing when he makes some sort of open statement regarding who he would prefer to win the election.
That’s OK. If it gives a few more people one more reason not to vote Jill Stein, I’ll take it.
Seriously. Jill Stein has done nothing and doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.
Lol so wait.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that… anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that’s for sure.
The thought process is “do I really want to be a part of a system that the KKK has decided furthers/aligns with goals etc”
If something is good for racists it’s probably worth a critical examination.
It was quite a bit more complicated than that, of course. That was just the first catalyst that sent me down a new road.
Fucking. LOL.
I can’t laugh heard enough about this.
Someone should cross post this to a certain Satanist’s page.
What I suspect is happening here is that an endorsement of this nature can be seen as a “kiss of death” - folks who might otherwise vote for a candidate might be turned off once they hear this news.
Last time it seems the GOP candidate got the endorsement and lost, so to prevent a “kiss of death” effect in this election he is endorsing a spoiler in order to continue drawing votes away from Harris, while hoping to retain votes for the GOP candidate, causing the election to swing to a GOP win.
Remember, as the GOP guy famously said, “A vote for Stein is a vote for me!”
(Now, will this strategy actually be effective? I have doubts that enough people pay attention to this group for it to be relevant.)
Who the hell would change their vote from Harris to Stein based on an endorsement from a former Ku Klux Klan leader?!
No one. Rather, it’s a call to energize white nationalists groups to indirectly support the GOP candidate, while avoiding the kiss of death for him.
If this doesn’t really seem to make too much sense, it’s because it doesn’t. I doubt the folks behind this thought it through that well…
No more burnin no more hangin. From now on we will compost the bodies. #GreenHoods
Not a good look for Jill Stein.
As opposed to all those favorable looks she’s been accumulating.
Is anything??
Depends on how she reacts to it. If she takes him campaigning, it’s definitely bad. If she rejects the endorsement it’s something different.
she already rejected it before the article was published. it’s in the article
Yeah, I was making a rhetorical point to contrast to how a certain someone treated an endorsement by a war criminal.
Why? She has nothing to do with him, and the party even said so. From the article:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
I agree, but did you say the same when racists endorsed Trump?
An endorsement doesn’t mean the candidate becomes the same as the person endorsing them. Plenty of questionable people endorse candidates from all parties. I try to judge a candidate based on their own actions, not on the people who endorse them.
Best endorsement dems could hope for, really.
Hmm… I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
Who are you referring to? I’m debating some “Harris needs to earn my vote. So it’s her fault if Trump wins.” idiots right now.
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
Maybe a play on “omnipresent zealot”
I’ve had a tag on the user I think you’re referencing for a minute now. It’s quite helpful.
Hmm. I can think of someone who was recently accused of running two accounts. Something like bad mythical figure name.
Who got accused of running two accounts?
=)
Who is it?
It’s almost like people argue in bad faith on the internet. Fancy that!
Or some people just don’t agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don’t change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn’t mean it’s in bad faith. Thanks! :)
True, some people agree with former KGB agents.
I don’t know about you, but I’m saving this post for future citations.
and be sure to save this too:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
how does this article impact anyone’s support for a 3rd party?
Because it’s already been posted here and this community doesn’t allow duplicate posts. It’s also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don’t know what user you’re referring to, but I’ve commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
Ah so you were late to /c/politics. Well I suppose we all have busy days at work sometimes. You’ll get ‘em next time champ.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was under the impression that I post every 17 minutes, 24 hours a day?! And that I’m a team of people. Oh AND that I’m a bot.
So if all that’s true, how was I having a “busy” day at work?!
Look at you deflecting.
You average a submission every seventeen minutes and thirty-eight seconds and that’s public information.
No, “Lemmy” isn’t under that “impression”. Are you trying to say your profile page is wrong, or that math is?
Woah hey now all I said was you probably had a busy day at work. A little weird to bring up bots and teams of bad actors dude, chill.
People have said that about me. So I’m just wondering how all of those diverse viewpoints can be correct if I am at work and having a busy day.
I don’t recall having brought any of that up? At any rate, it seems like whatever your occupation is, it’s pretty stressful. That sucks.
I didn’t say that you brought it up. I mentioned that many on Lemmy say that about me.
My job isn’t stressful at all. Thanks, friend! :)
Ok, that’s pretty funny. An endorsement shouldn’t be taken too seriously (given a certain string of endorsements I don’t like for Harris) but it’s still really funny. Fuck Jill Stein.
And they declined his endorsement:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
Hahahaha. Of course he did.
Can we all finally agree that supportingJill Stein is being the 11th person at the table?
Aaaaand there ya go. This is all you need to know about Jill Stein right? Because if Harris is a conservative because of Cheney’s endorsement….
Or are the rules different?
The rules are the same. They’re both trash.
Cornel West 2024. Zero endorsements from republicans and other white supremacists.
To counter your little edit there:
No endorsements, eh?
Hey look everyone!
It’s yet another “third party candidate supporter” that seemingly never says anything at all to ever support their candidate aside from just trashing Harris and Harris alone.
Trump who? Amirite?
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member.
It’s one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it’s another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.
It’s one thing to be the type of person that a racist piece of shit would endorse, and another to be the type of person that a person who hates racist pieces of shit would endorse.
Why do you think a literal Nazi would be honest in his public endorsements and not just doing it for tactical reasons?
Think about it. Trump supporters gonna Trump. This “endorsement” is aimed at harming Steins campaign with moderate and progressive voters, as is evident with the reaction here.
Now the question is, why he wants to do that, as it helps the Harris campaign. What does he think he gains from helping Harris?
Wow. You didn’t even read the article, did you?
Stein’s campaign seems to exists solely to harm the democratic nominee. This is pretty well known by many at this point. She doesn’t denounce Putin’s war crimes, uses Trumps lawyers….
And now, a long-time Trump supporter is backing her, and you’re suggesting that it’s for the strategic purpose of hurting Jill’s chances? She never had a chance to begin with! She only exists to take votes like yours away from the only person capable of beating Trump.
The Olympic-contending mental gymnast required to avoid the obvious here are impressive!
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
So the target audience of Stein under that premise are center/progressive voters. The target audience clearly is not Trump voters.
So even if Steins goal is solely to siphon votes from the Dems, any vote that goes to her is a “win” for her. And the opposite, any voter deciding to go back to Harris is a “loss” for her.
Him endorsing Stein is clearly aimed at achieving the latter. You said it yourself,
Stein’s campaign exists solely to harm the democratic nominee
So her target audience are solely potential dem voters. And these are alienated by that endorsement, as is also very clear in this thread.
So there is two options:
A - the guy is a total moron
B - he is achieving exactly what he wantsA seems unlikely to me, as nazi leaders are despicable and evil, but smart and scheming.
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
Yes.
So you agree that the nazi guy is helping Harris by him alienating progressive voters from Stein.
Then you have to conclude that he is just very very dumb, or you have to agree with my statement, that he wants to harm Stein and help Harris. Which brings the important question, what does the nazi guy gain from helping Harris?
As the guy was leading a large organization, him being dumb is unlikely. Him being good at scheming and manipulating on the other hand is very much on brand.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,…). Sure, they’re not explicitly racist, ‘just’ war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
Right. Because Harris needs the support to keep a criminally charged rapist from being a dictator for a day and calling the military against his own people. Having the support of a Republican in this environment is a pretty big deal. That is reaching FAR across the aisle in an almost unheard of show of support- and it sends a message of solidarity against a fascist.
Having a dirt bag irrelevant racist support a sketchy spoiler candidate?
Well, that’s just damn easy to “deny,” isn’t it? I mean… there’s no downside. And it sure looks good to the press to turn him down, doesn’t it? But then again, it doesn’t look good to have him up her ass to begin with…
Why can’t she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would’ve probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they’re trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
Because sadly, FAR more people seem to give a shit about what Cheney says than there are those that seem to give a shit about what Stein says. And not only that, but I’d wager that no matter what she does- a large percentage of the far left and socialists probably aren’t going to vote for Harris anyway. Even if Stein endorsed her.
(Remember a guy named Bernie back in 2016? Yeah. A lot of the “Bros” voted for Trump to spite the DNC)
Their minds are made up and are locked in every bit as tight as their folded arms are.
And I’d wager that she is ACUTELY aware of this. Between her, and all of her advisers- do you think there is no one that understands what she must do to get the votes she needs? Do you seriously think she hasn’t thought of courting the far left vote? She’s not an idiot.
She knows the far left exists.
And she knows many of them have a track record of not showing up regardless. Over 100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. And we got trump- with warning signs of what he would do.
We don’t have warning signs now. We know EXACTLY what he will do, and the far left are all holding their vote hostage over shit many of them didn’t even care about a year ago.
So I’m sorry, but their demands are going to fall on willfully deaf ears. The far left vote is not something Harris is going to risk losing an election over. And historically, candidates that lean too far left…
Lose.
And now, at this point, I’m going to say that we’re far too late in the game for me to care about how you feel about this. This is what it is. This is where we are. You can help us keep America breathing by voting for the one person that has a chance to win, or you can pull the plug because of a single-issue that most of you don’t even really understand.
Either way. Someone is getting elected. Whether you like it or not- with or without your help.
So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?
Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.
bragging about getting them.
What a disgusting and willful disingenuous pile of horse shit.
I don’t need to watch anything to know that what you’re implying isn’t reality
It’s literally a video by a pro-Democrat channel of Harris promoting the endorsements.
Jill rejected the endorsement, unlike Harris
Source on Harris accepting a David duke endorsement? Else willful misinformation/trolling
Edit though it can be confused because the article is about duke, this thread is not, and my assumption of commie’s correlation was wrong.
You should read the comment chain before making non sequitur requests. It was literally two comments long. You couldn’t help but have read it before getting here.
You have no idea how little I can read.
I shall edit
I was judgmental for the original comment seeming to be in bad faith, but have an upvote, that was a damn funny response.
You know what? I respect your edit and you admitting what happened. Rare on Lemmy these days. Have my upvote, friend. :)
Whatever you say…. Commie.
I was about to say that that isnt really much of an insult these days, given that its not really much different from insulting a republican by calling them “conservative” in some shortened manner and the cold war ended awhile go, but then I saw the username of the person you were replying to.
I use a lowercase c because I’m anticapitalist
And you’re brave for admitting that here on Lemmy. I respect your balls, friend!
Yep, funny how may people are overlooking that!
A piece shit likes the smell of their own.
Lol
ouch, that didnt age well for Stein. Well I’m onboard with her owning that David Duke endorsement then.
You gonna lol at that while harris has been endorsed by cheney and tons of other fash trash?
Yes, because they understand what a threat to their own existence Trump is. They are doing it out of self interest.
David Duke just likes Jill Stein’s views lmao.
You ding dongs just lazily skim headlines, post as perceived support for your argument and don’t realize that the article content just highlights how laughable your stated position is - the article that you posted basically talks about these generally horrible people tried everything they could to get on board with trump’s horseshit through their well developed deny/lie skillset… and they couldn’t. Them supporting a Harris vote speaks more to the failure of trump to state any rational coherent plan that these evil selfish cowards could get on board with. These fuckers want the USA to live so they can try to fuck it again in the future, so they endorse the adult in the room.
republicans needs Democrats to rebuild the jenga board every other election cycle so they can have something to headbutt on their next turn. trump wants to take the already toppled board, shove a few pieces up his ass and set the rest on fire Bertie flipping the entire table. Then he wants to make you walk the floor covered in broken, flaming Jenga blocks barefoot. And during all of this, kid rock music is playing VERY LOUD.
I think it’s fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here. I think it says something that Trump is too fascist for Cheney.
Also, shoving Stein’s words in her face doesn’t mean OP agrees with those words, just that Stein’s words are particularly problematic at the moment.
Just my opinion, as an idiot with no marketable skills: I think the more fascist candidate is the one who attempted a coup on Jan 6.
If I can figure it out, what’s other people’s excuse?
Posting Stein’s tweet is a good burn, but not much more.
Applying Stein’s logic to herself: what did she do to “earn” David Duke’s endorsement? That’s easy: she backed Palestine over Israel. Even if a racist happens to agree, that doesn’t make that stance wrong.
Yeah, that’s what I said.
fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here
more fascist
:-/
Lesser of two fascists
Someone who isn’t fascist at all is less fascist than a fascist. This isn’t the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
Someone who isn’t fascist at all
Failed to win either major party’s nomination.
This isn’t the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
This isn’t a game of “gotcha”, its acknowledgement of US foreign and domestic policies. The current obsession with rounding up migrants, arming and invading sovereign nations and massacring their inhabitants, and suppressing internal dissent via police raids and congressionally-backed intimidation of college administrations is championed by both heads of the major parties.
Failed to win either major party’s nomination.
You failed to win the nomination, so by your logic you’re a fascist. I can’t make sense of this.
And I thought we were talking about the two people who did win the nomination of their major party.
This isn’t a game of “gotcha"
You were clearly trying to pretend you caught them admitting Harris is a fascist. You can’t play gotcha and then claim you aren’t playing gotcha.
You failed to win the nomination, so by your logic you’re a fascist.
???
Hey, did you know that 100% fascist is more fascist than 0% fascist?
Please stop twisting words just to be annoying.
Please stop twisting words
Please stop bombing civilians.
You think u/vorticity owns/operates warplanes and munitions?
You’re surprisingly dense.
Identifying which of the two war criminal fascist candidates for president is the better one to vote for is a good skill we should all learn because it will keep coming up in all future elections, as long as that US funded AIPAC money train keeps running on time, funding both parties.
Yeah, 100%. Because it’s ironic.
Dems are going to jettison their entire green energy platform and blame Jill Stein.
Duke, a proudly antisemitic white supremacist, endorsed Trump in 2016 and 2020, but on his radio show yesterday, he slammed Trump’s “subservience to Israel and to the Jewish lobby” and said only Stein would stand up to Israel and its “genocide” against Palestinians.
Weird… sounds like a lot of “leftists” on lemmy…
How is he still alive? He has been an annoying public figure since the 80s.
He is not just any wizard. He is grand.
The grandest
