Lol
You gonna lol at that while harris has been endorsed by cheney and tons of other fash trash?
You ding dongs just lazily skim headlines, post as perceived support for your argument and don’t realize that the article content just highlights how laughable your stated position is - the article that you posted basically talks about these generally horrible people tried everything they could to get on board with trump’s horseshit through their well developed deny/lie skillset… and they couldn’t. Them supporting a Harris vote speaks more to the failure of trump to state any rational coherent plan that these evil selfish cowards could get on board with. These fuckers want the USA to live so they can try to fuck it again in the future, so they endorse the adult in the room.
republicans needs Democrats to rebuild the jenga board every other election cycle so they can have something to headbutt on their next turn. trump wants to take the already toppled board, shove a few pieces up his ass and set the rest on fire Bertie flipping the entire table. Then he wants to make you walk the floor covered in broken, flaming Jenga blocks barefoot. And during all of this, kid rock music is playing VERY LOUD.
I think it’s fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here. I think it says something that Trump is too fascist for Cheney.
Also, shoving Stein’s words in her face doesn’t mean OP agrees with those words, just that Stein’s words are particularly problematic at the moment.
Posting Stein’s tweet is a good burn, but not much more.
Applying Stein’s logic to herself: what did she do to “earn” David Duke’s endorsement? That’s easy: she backed Palestine over Israel. Even if a racist happens to agree, that doesn’t make that stance wrong.
fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here
more fascist
:-/
Lesser of two fascists
Hey, did you know that 100% fascist is more fascist than 0% fascist?
Please stop twisting words just to be annoying.
Please stop twisting words
Please stop bombing civilians.
You think u/vorticity owns/operates warplanes and munitions?
You’re surprisingly dense.
Someone who isn’t fascist at all is less fascist than a fascist. This isn’t the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
Yes, because they understand what a threat to their own existence Trump is. They are doing it out of self interest.
David Duke just likes Jill Stein’s views lmao.
Dems are going to jettison their entire green energy platform and blame Jill Stein.
David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
Lol so wait.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that… anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that’s for sure.
The thought process is “do I really want to be a part of a system that the KKK has decided furthers/aligns with goals etc”
If something is good for racists it’s probably worth a critical examination.
David Duke’s endorsement is a slander, and I think he knows that and uses it intentionally.
That’s OK. If it gives a few more people one more reason not to vote Jill Stein, I’ll take it.
Seriously. Jill Stein has done nothing and doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.
Ok, that’s pretty funny. An endorsement shouldn’t be taken too seriously (given a certain string of endorsements I don’t like for Harris) but it’s still really funny. Fuck Jill Stein.
And they declined his endorsement:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
That is how it is done. Unlike Harris. Who went on a parade with Liz Cheney, and praised Dick Cheney for his work after they endorsed her.
Thank you!!
I can’t laugh heard enough about this.
What I suspect is happening here is that an endorsement of this nature can be seen as a “kiss of death” - folks who might otherwise vote for a candidate might be turned off once they hear this news.
Last time it seems the GOP candidate got the endorsement and lost, so to prevent a “kiss of death” effect in this election he is endorsing a spoiler in order to continue drawing votes away from Harris, while hoping to retain votes for the GOP candidate, causing the election to swing to a GOP win.
Remember, as the GOP guy famously said, “A vote for Stein is a vote for me!”
(Now, will this strategy actually be effective? I have doubts that enough people pay attention to this group for it to be relevant.)
Who the hell would change their vote from Harris to Stein based on an endorsement from a former Ku Klux Klan leader?!
No one. Rather, it’s a call to energize white nationalists groups to indirectly support the GOP candidate, while avoiding the kiss of death for him.
If this doesn’t really seem to make too much sense, it’s because it doesn’t. I doubt the folks behind this thought it through that well…
Hmm… I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
Who are you referring to? I’m debating some “Harris needs to earn my vote. So it’s her fault if Trump wins.” idiots right now.
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
Hmm. I can think of someone who was recently accused of running two accounts. Something like bad mythical figure name.
Who got accused of running two accounts?
=)
Who is it?
I don’t know about you, but I’m saving this post for future citations.
and be sure to save this too:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
It’s almost like people argue in bad faith on the internet. Fancy that!
Or some people just don’t agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don’t change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn’t mean it’s in bad faith. Thanks! :)
Because it’s already been posted here and this community doesn’t allow duplicate posts. It’s also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don’t know what user you’re referring to, but I’ve commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
Ah so you were late to /c/politics. Well I suppose we all have busy days at work sometimes. You’ll get ‘em next time champ.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was under the impression that I post every 17 minutes, 24 hours a day?! And that I’m a team of people. Oh AND that I’m a bot.
So if all that’s true, how was I having a “busy” day at work?!
Woah hey now all I said was you probably had a busy day at work. A little weird to bring up bots and teams of bad actors dude, chill.
People have said that about me. So I’m just wondering how all of those diverse viewpoints can be correct if I am at work and having a busy day.
I don’t recall having brought any of that up? At any rate, it seems like whatever your occupation is, it’s pretty stressful. That sucks.
I didn’t say that you brought it up. I mentioned that many on Lemmy say that about me.
My job isn’t stressful at all. Thanks, friend! :)
And Putin endorsed Harris. These people know that their endorsement is a vote against that candidate, not for them.
Everyone’s so focused on putting Jill Stein down so that those votes go to Harris. Any ideas on how we can get tiered voting implemented so that third parties are viable choices instead of being the same as not voting at all?
Start local. Where I live we have ranked choice voting for mayor.
Why do people even care what a gross white supremacist thinks?
because if a gross white supremacist starts saying/doing things I agree with I need to evaluate if he’s changing or if I’m changing.
This. Actually this. This right here.
There’s an argument to be made about broken clocks, but sometime the answer is simpler than that. “Have I become the asshole?” It’s not fun to run into that, and I have on multiple occasions. You have to be aware of your biases, and check them on occasion in case they’ve drifted while you’re not paying attention.
Nobody is immune to propaganda or above error, particularly those who believe they are
How long until she drops out now? Jr dropped out soon after Rogan endorsed him.
Do you really think she’ll drop out with only 3 weeks to go?! Ain’t gonna happen, friend.
Harris is openly embracing Dick Cheney endorsements, lol. It is nothing for Jill to reject it. This is also the same crowd that “Biden has changed for his segregationist” lmao.
I think you’re misunderstanding the Cheney’s support.
Dick and Liz (and Bush and others) aren’t supporting Harris because she aligns with them or they like her. They’re doing it because trump is so heinous, literally anything is better than a second trump term.
They don’t want Harris; they’ve just reached the conclusion trump will destroy the GOP. And they’re right.
As Lindsay Graham said in 2016:
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…and we will deserve it.
This is self-preservation.
That explains why they support her, it doesn’t explain why Harris is bragging about that endorsement and campaigning with him. Especially when her main message is saving democracy and he’s the guy that actually stole an election.
Especially when her main message is saving democracy
This is exactly the reason. Because saving democracy right now means getting every possible vote, and the Cheneys can sway some old, Reagan/Bush republicans who reflexively vote R without really paying attention. If even the Cheneys support Harris, they might take notice. It’s an enemy-of-my-enemy situation.
I don’t give af what their reasons are Dick Cheney is one of the worst people on the planet. It is easy not to stand by him. But I’m fine with voting third party this point. I don’t want to be allies with liberals who will throw anyone under the bus to retain comfort.
Nobody is ‘standing by him’. Hitler liked dogs. Am I supposed to hate dogs because Hitler ‘stood by’ them?
I couldn’t give less of a fuck who the Cheneys support. Their opinions don’t factor into my choices at all.
This whole topic is the same people who make excuses for why the Cheney endorsements are good (or at a minimum irrelevant) saying how David Duke’s endorsement should make people supporting Jill Stein think twice.
Jill Stein is a grifter and a spoiler working to advance conservative causes, but the hypocrisy here is breathtaking.
There’s a very clear difference: Stein is a well-documented, intentional spoiler who’s funding comes primarily from Republican mega-donors and Russian interests, and who recently said out loud her purpose isn’t to advance her party but exclusively to block Harris.
Her track record makes that endorsement poignant.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
LOL, no there isn’t.
Horrible person endorses candidate I like: “you can help who endorses you, it doesn’t mean anything about their values”. Horrible person endorses candidate I don’t like: “see, if you support them you’re in bed with [the KKK/war criminals]”.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
If Harris was a progressive peacenik who didn’t seem open to aligning with neocon foreign policy, no one would think anything of welcoming Cheney into her campaign.
It’s the same exact reasoning, just reformulated for whether you like the candidate in question.
Harris has not “aligned with” any Cheney or other neocon. Stop pretending that you don’t understand how electoral politics works.
Yep! Insane hypocrisy around these parts.
And anyone who doesn’t agree with the echo chamber, is a “Trumper” or works “for the Russians” or my personal fav, “posting/commenting in bad faith.” lol
Yeah having his daughter who defended all of his bad actions on your events isn’t standing by him and he going on about how honored she is. Liberals will literally work with fascists. Malcolm X was correct long ago. Vote for who you want best of luck.
No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
It isn’t ideological purity. The only people who give up ground is Dems that is why the GOP can dog walk them while going on about space lazers and weather control. There should be some limits when it comes to people like Dick Cheney getting a pass. I’ve done the whole vote for the lesser evil. I’m good. I’ll do what I can locally and vote down ballot for in local elections.
When Trump can come out call Harris for adopting his policies and she has nothing to say back. I’m good. I don’t support right-wingers even with (D) next to their name.
We all know who you really want in power. Transparent as fucking glass.
“I don’t like that one of the worst people in the world is advocating for a candidate, and I’m not going tk vote for that candidate because of this- even though *the other candidates is objectively far worse than the guy I hate”
Is how I interpret that.
Throw your vote away if you want. Just don’t whine here when trump wins because of you.
Trump’s rise is literally because of Dems lack of action results for poor and working class people. Harris is closer to him on Policy than anyone else. Even Trump said so at the debate, and she is still building the wall. You guys don’t have Trump as much as you claim.
Correct!
Trump’s not gonna win tho.
You literally just posted a topic about Trump beating Harris in a battleground state poll. And another about good news for Trump. Along with a stream of other posts that seems curated to talk about bad signs for Harris.
So? It’s political news. And it doesn’t change my mind: I think Trump will lose.
Do you think Trump will win?
You don’t just post random political news from across a range of topics, you post stuff that talks about Harris being weak.
If you were confident Harris would win, why would it be interesting that a poll showed her down in a crucial state? Why would it be interesting that fewer Democrats are registered to vote? She’s supposedly got it in the bag, so none of these things would matter.
I think Trump winning is a very real possibility. It looks a lot more likely than 2020 and that was a razor thin victory.
You don’t know that.
Do you honestly think he is going to win?
I honestly thought he wasn’t going to win in 2016. I was wrong.
This election hinges on a hair. Everyone who’s not got a bridge to sell you is saying that, and you think you can predict the outcome?
I’m not buying any bridges. I don’t know who’s going to win, and neither do you or anyone else.
Yep!
If you think this reflects badly on stein ask yourself 2 questions, did he endorse her because she’s also a white supremacist? Did she accept the endorsement?
The answer to the first is probably no since stein is a Jewish women so I don’t think she’d get along well with all the other white supremacists who think she’s sub-human. The reason he endorsed her was because she’s the only one who would end the war in Gaza and fight the “Jewish lobby”. If your a Zionist and believe that any action against Israel is anti-Semitic then yeah stein and Duke are the same. If you live outside that delusional world then you’d recognize dukes dislike for Israel and steins, (and most of the worlds) dislike for Israel come from two completely different values systems and world views.
The answer to the second is easier, No, her campaign rejected it and called him trash as soon as they heard about it.
So does this actually reflect badly on stein, or is this just the ravings of an insane person who’s trying to elect a Jewish woman to take out his imagined grand Jewish conspiracy? Critique stein if you want but this is nothing.
I generally agree with you, but it does make her eat some of her own words as pointed out elsewhere in this comment section:
Stein stans refusing to engage with this screencap while also arguing that it’s okay because Stein disavowed Duke’s endorsement:
Thank you for bringing logic to this thread!
For real. If David Duke endorsed Harris, democrats would be crowing about it and saying they’ll take all the help they can get (see all the recent neocon ghoul endorsements).
What a load of bullshit.
At least David Duke wasn’t responsible for multiple imperial invasions.
I’m not defending Dick Cheney.
But you can’t try to argue that the Holocaust denying former grand wizard of the KKK wouldn’t do that if he was given the chance.
Yep!
Not a good look for Jill Stein.
Why? She has nothing to do with him, and the party even said so. From the article:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
I agree, but did you say the same when racists endorsed Trump?
An endorsement doesn’t mean the candidate becomes the same as the person endorsing them. Plenty of questionable people endorse candidates from all parties. I try to judge a candidate based on their own actions, not on the people who endorse them.
I see this more as a loss of support for Trump, just like the many Republican endorsements for Harris. It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way, and who supports someone is more a sign of how that person leans, not the candidate.
What will be interesting (but again, inconsequential) is how Stein will treat this. Ignore? Simple thanks? A rally to try and pull more of those who would follow him? (I think some will see where I’m going there)
Nothing can hurt or help Stein’s chances. She’s not a real choice. I don’t even think she’s on enough states’ ballots to get the required number of electoral votes.
She can’t win, but she’s on enough ballots to affect the outcome. I assume she knows this and either directly wants Trump to win or is so twisted around with hatred for the Democratic party she doesn’t care that hurting them hurts the entire country.
Florida 2000 Presidential Election results:
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Bush: 2,912,790 (48.847%)
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Gore: 2,912,253 (48.838%)
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Nader: 97,488 (1.64%)
If just 538 Nader voters had gone to Gore, representing 0.0091% of the total vote, Al Gore would have been president.
Tiny fucking margins can change the world. Ask a bunch of dead Iraqi people if they feel like there would have been no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore.
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Agreed!
Aaaaand there ya go. This is all you need to know about Jill Stein right? Because if Harris is a conservative because of Cheney’s endorsement….
Or are the rules different?
The rules are the same. They’re both trash.
Cornel West 2024. Zero endorsements from republicans and other white supremacists.
To counter your little edit there:
No endorsements, eh?
Jill rejected the endorsement, unlike Harris
Whatever you say…. Commie.
I use a lowercase c because I’m anticapitalist
And you’re brave for admitting that here on Lemmy. I respect your balls, friend!
Source on Harris accepting a David duke endorsement? Else willful misinformation/trolling
Edit though it can be confused because the article is about duke, this thread is not, and my assumption of commie’s correlation was wrong.
You know what? I respect your edit and you admitting what happened. Rare on Lemmy these days. Have my upvote, friend. :)
Yep, funny how may people are overlooking that!
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member.
It’s one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it’s another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.
It’s one thing to be the type of person that a racist piece of shit would endorse, and another to be the type of person that a person who hates racist pieces of shit would endorse.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,…). Sure, they’re not explicitly racist, ‘just’ war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
Right. Because Harris needs the support to keep a criminally charged rapist from being a dictator for a day and calling the military against his own people. Having the support of a Republican in this environment is a pretty big deal. That is reaching FAR across the aisle in an almost unheard of show of support- and it sends a message of solidarity against a fascist.
Having a dirt bag irrelevant racist support a sketchy spoiler candidate?
Well, that’s just damn easy to “deny,” isn’t it? I mean… there’s no downside. And it sure looks good to the press to turn him down, doesn’t it? But then again, it doesn’t look good to have him up her ass to begin with…
Why can’t she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would’ve probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they’re trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
Because sadly, FAR more people seem to give a shit about what Cheney says than there are those that seem to give a shit about what Stein says. And not only that, but I’d wager that no matter what she does- a large percentage of the far left and socialists probably aren’t going to vote for Harris anyway. Even if Stein endorsed her.
(Remember a guy named Bernie back in 2016? Yeah. A lot of the “Bros” voted for Trump to spite the DNC)
Their minds are made up and are locked in every bit as tight as their folded arms are.
And I’d wager that she is ACUTELY aware of this. Between her, and all of her advisers- do you think there is no one that understands what she must do to get the votes she needs? Do you seriously think she hasn’t thought of courting the far left vote? She’s not an idiot.
She knows the far left exists.
And she knows many of them have a track record of not showing up regardless. Over 100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. And we got trump- with warning signs of what he would do.
We don’t have warning signs now. We know EXACTLY what he will do, and the far left are all holding their vote hostage over shit many of them didn’t even care about a year ago.
So I’m sorry, but their demands are going to fall on willfully deaf ears. The far left vote is not something Harris is going to risk losing an election over. And historically, candidates that lean too far left…
Lose.
And now, at this point, I’m going to say that we’re far too late in the game for me to care about how you feel about this. This is what it is. This is where we are. You can help us keep America breathing by voting for the one person that has a chance to win, or you can pull the plug because of a single-issue that most of you don’t even really understand.
Either way. Someone is getting elected. Whether you like it or not- with or without your help.
So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?
Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.
I still like her though. I didn’t vote for her, but I love how much drama she has caused the Democratic Party. :)
What a cringe edge lord.
Yes, David Duke is a cringe edge lord!
Purposeful misinterpretation, just reinforcing the cringe.
So you don’t think David Duke is a cringe edge lord?! I certainly do.
