alt text: a manipulated image portraying the alleged killer/controversial folk hero re-envisioned as a saintly figure, wearing Christian religious garb with a sun-like halo shining behind his head
Source: someone said this image hit the front page on reddit before being “censored”.
Apparent credit: @gedogfx (IG). Title source: “Inkl”. 💩posting for meme archival and commentary purposes.
Merry Christmas Luigi!!!
🎄 🎁 🙏🏻
on a personal level this is hella cringe but from a social perspective i love this so much
It’s almost going to be disappointing if we find out he was framed
You mean that what appeared to be a meticulously planned and masterfully executed assassination, such that there was little to no usable camera footage wasn’t likely to be undone the perp wandering around with a written confession and the murder weapon days later?
I’m shocked there haven’t been more conspiracy theories on this.
You need a second such incident for the conspiracy to work. Because the implication is that the real saint is out there working his miracles.
Agreed. I always wondered how two different backpacks came into the picture.
And it would explain the drones in the tristate as they could be useful for finding the suspect.
It would be the worst kind of mindfuck for him if he was just some radical centrist tech bro who got framed of a crime, sanctified in the public opinion, and then proven to be innocent. Like that’s the shit therapists’ accountants dream of
Guilty or not, convicted or not… He is just a symbol either way.
This is about the corruption within US systems esp health insurance.
You know, I feel like the thousands of people thirsting after him would be a pretty good ego boost at least. Enough to make up for the psychological torture of being framed? Probs not, buuuuuutttt…
He was arrested for US healthcare’s sins.
And on the third trial he was freed again.
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Additional trials can be avoided through Jury Nullification. Which is what I’d be doing were I empaneled onto the jury that will decide his fate. What would be even better would be that multiple members of that jury engage in Jury Nullification.
I wonder if he could be found guilty of terrorism if his murder trial is nullified. I mean how could he have done terrorism if he didn’t do murder (I’m sure they’ll find a way)
And he sits on the throne with the father and the holly spirit… Wait hold on…no, actually this works OK, I remember the other two did in many more than just one asshole. The temple for example, someone must have been crushed there right? And what about the big ass food! Leaving only one of each dinosaur and two fish! Anyway, what I want to say is free Luigi. The guy is clearly crazy out of his mind. He probably had mushrooms as he was in pain. He took the wrong mushrooms and the rest is history. What is real is all of us asking that his life be spared.
When you come own again you should reread that word salad.
Pope Francis has the opportunity to do the funniest thing here
I was ready to point out that this was not possible because canonisation requires the person have performed two miracles, but then I found out that there is actually a pathway without that:
Very rarely, a Pope may waive the requirement… if he, the Sacred College of Cardinals, and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints all agree that the Blessed lived a life of great merit proven by certain actions.
I’m not sure they can waive the requirement that a saint be dead however, it’s sort of part of the definition…
I think there is an inbetween where you not declared saint but basically are declared somewhat holy ready to be sainted once you die.
But he’s already so beautified 😍
Oh, my. What are you doing with this AI pic you found in the internet?
Praising His Name
Venerated, Beatified, Saint. At least that’s what I remember from Catechism beginning some 67 years ago
Doesn’t one of the charges carry the death penalty?
The miracles are going to be people praying to him to have their claims accepted.
Martyrs get a pass on the miracles BTW.
Not quite. They get a pass on miracles for beatification, but wording to this page’s “Since 1983” section two miracles are originally required for canonisation. In fact it is the non-martyr blessed who get a pass, since their miracle to become blessed counts and they only need one more.
The miracles are relatively easy in his case, considering his connection to healthcare. Get enough people with terminal diagnoses praying for his intercession, and some will happen to make a statistically unlikely spontaneous recovery.
Well, the Popeis the absolute sovereign dictator of Church dogma, so if he says tomorrow that Luigi is a saint, then all 1 billion Catholics worldwide must listen
Kind of. He is the leader of the church but the congregation of Cardinals also holds a lot of political sway over the office as well and advise the pope on all kinds of matters.
Papal infallibility basically only applies to the interpretation of doctrine and scripture by the papal office.
Yeah and there’s still ecumenical councils and tradition.
There’s a reason the pope that gave birth didn’t lead to female priests, sexusl activity permitted among priests, or transmasculine priests, just a genital inspection before being confirmed as pope
‘In nomine Patris et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Mora, abnegare et deponere. Amen.’
He can’t become a Saint until after he dies, unfortunately.
Pope could always talk to the big man and get that rule changed. Who’s gonna stop him, the pope?
Sounds like the government wants to do just that if he loses.
People are unironicaly going to use him in religion in the future.
He’s more sainty than most christian saints. St Benedicts “miracle”:
Book 2 of the Dialogues of Pope Gregory is about St. Benedict, and chapter 1 is titled “How he made a broken sieve whole and sound”:
It fell so out that his nurse borrowed of the neighbors a sieve to make clean wheat, which being left negligently on the table, by chance it was broken in two pieces, Whereupon she fell pitifully weeping, because she had borrowed it. The devout and religious youth Benedict, seeing his nurse so lamenting, moved with compassion, took away with him both the pieces of the sieve, and with tears fell to his prayers; and after he had done, rising up he found it so whole, that the place could not be seen where before it was broken.
So Benedict fixed a collander by crying on it and earned sainthood for it. Clearly none of us is worthy to behold such holiness as that. You couldnt make this flaming garbage up if you tried.
It is impressive I guess. Even if that’s his only superpower, and yeah it is a lame super specific superpower, it’s more than you or I can do and if I watched someone do it I’d be impressed because I did not believe it was possible
If he is a catholic then I pray that he becomes a legit saint for what he did.
If Dorothy Day is still just blessed don’t hold your breath
Why not? Sainthood is an inherently political process. No person becomes a saint without intense lobbying and political pressure. You think Joan of Arc got her sainthood without politics involved?
And while the Catholic Church likes to claim a monopoly on sainthood, it really has no right to that claim. Most early saints were simply individuals that people in a community loved, respected, and later revered. A lot of these early saints were simply canonized officially by the church after they had already been venerated as saints by their communities for generations. There’s one saint that is likely just a misremembering of the Buddha. So people could absolutely start venerating him as a saint unofficially whenever they want.
And in the long term, Luigi could even end up an official saint of the Church if the circumstances are right. After conviction and sentencing, he could meet with a priest and confess his crimes in full and formally ask for absolution. And in the doctrine of the Church, that would result in him being fully forgiven for his crime. It’s the same way the Church recognizes the sanctity of warrior-saints who spent their whole lives killing. As long as they confessed their sins and asked for forgiveness from God, all is forgiven.
So let’s imagine Luigi did that. Suddenly his sins are washed away. Now we just have a man who is effectively a martyr for the thousands of victims of Brian Thompson. If that doesn’t a saint make, what does? Sainthood is meant for people who give their lives in the service of others, and that’s exactly what Luigi ultimately did. If it weren’t for the whole murder part, everyone would consider him a hero. And in the eyes of the church, confession washes away the sin of killing. Now he’s an absolved martyr dying for the service others.
Now, for official recognition from the Church, there would need to be some miracles attributed to him after his (likely) execution. But that doesn’t seem that hard to get. Tens of thousands of cancer patients praying for the ascended Luigi’s intercession? Some of them are going to make a statistically unlikely complete recovery. Won’t be hard to get the requisite number of miracles.
I don’t imagine the Church would officially recognize Luigi’s canonization within our lifetimes. But the Church thinks in centuries. If he decided to make a religious turn and really lean into Catholicism, he absolutely could end up saint, maybe in the 2100s sometime.
If he dies and confesses as you put it, and the situation gets bad enough he could be canonized a lot sooner. Saint Maximillian was beatified barely 30 years after his death and canonized 41 years after his death.
Saint Maximillian Kolbe was a Saint who died in the holocaust during ww2. His story is fucking incredible. The Nazis were gathering people and had a set number of people to take to the death camps… one guy was terrified and begged for mercy, and then Saint Max came in to step in his place. Since the SS officer involved was only concerned with the number of people and not who, he accepted and left the guy alone and took Maximillian in his place.
You basically have someone who willingly sacrificed his life for an absolute stranger he never met before… and you know what is even better? The guy who Maximillian saved not only survived ww2, but also lived to be over 90 years old AND he pointed out at the war’s end who was the officer who took all those people to their deaths. The officer was hanged for his crimes in 1946.
We need people who can make that kind of sacrifice. Luigi threw away a promising life to have a shot at the system. He isn’t much of a leftist, but that is just a small detail.
What an absolute badass - thanks for sharing
It’s important to keep in mind that much like how politics can slow sanctification (Joan of Arc probably would’ve been canonized before the 20th century if she hadn’t been executed by the catholic church in part for her faith) it can also speed it up. St. Kolbe is a great example, he was unambiguously heroic and noble, and he was rushed to sainthood because he was obviously headed there and the catholic church had not behaved heroically during the holocaust. Sanctifying Maximilian Kolbe was, alongside the change in doctrine to no longer blame the Jewish people for the death of Jesus, an attempt to reduce the odds that catholics would try that shit again as well as to clean their image up.
It’s not that sainthood can’t proceed rapidly. The issue is that Luigi’s case is fundamentally different than someone like Kobe. Luigi is a much more complex figure, more akin to a John Brown than Kobe. What Luigi did was heroic, but he still shot a man in the back. Absolution or not, his act was not the unambiguous act of noble sacrifice of Kobe. Kobe gave up his life, Luigi took one.
Under very particular circumstances, Luigi could get actual sainthood. But it would be so controversial that it would likely only happen after the lifetime of anyone currently alive. In the grand view of history, maybe history will find him worthy of actual official sainthood. But there’s zero chance the Catholic Church would endorse a murder like that while anyone alive now still lives.
I love everything you are saying, but fuck the official sainthood shit.
Let’s start putting this pic on candles and selling them now.
They already is happening. You don’t need to be an officially recognized saint for someone to sell a candle of you.
tell me more
Print it out and put it in your wallet to ward against high insurance rates.
Maybe it will also ward against extra scrutiny from law enforcement. Maybe.
Are there any more images? This one looks pretty good, but the title promised me multiple images.
If you download this image, then that’s 2 images.
The copyright industry believes in this one weird trick
Do you want to get excommunicated and ghosted? Exalting a living non-Catholic socialist who committed murder is how to do it.
not diddling kids?
That too.
Nice.
Looks great. But it’s a missed opportunity to not have this symbol on his chest:
https://clipart-library.com/img/808303.jpgAkshully that’s a caduceus, symbol of commerce. It’s often confused with the similar Asclepius’ staff, without wings and sometimes with a cup.
You’re telling me the Greek symbol for profit is easily confused with the symbol for medicine?
Wow, the Greeks really were advanced!
It’s funny with reference to the Wikipedia entry for it. A symbol of commerce, often used “inappropriately” by the health industry
Paraphrased, quote marks are mine, added since I think the health in general is more about commerce than health
Asclepius’ staff
Here’s a link for anyone else trying to remember the correct image.
Image with load, just black
Huh. I think it has a transparent background. It’s fine on dark mode in the web browser.
Yep, my phone’s shitty dark mode was the problem haha
No akshully needed, that’s exactly the kind of information that’s important. Thank you
That’s the Caduceus depicted above, the symbol of logistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus. Which is often but improperly used these days as a medical symbol in place of the Rod of Asclepius, which has only one snake and no wings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius
Achtually, I find the Sacred Heart iconography quite apt given the circumstances. It’s about self sacrifice for the love of humanity.
The image of the Sacred Heart of Jesus is rich with symbolism. The exposed Heart, often depicted with a crown of thorns, represents Jesus’ suffering and his immense love for humanity. The flames emanating from the Heart signify the transformative and purifying power of his love, while the cross above the Heart is a reminder of his redemptive sacrifice for the sins of the whole world.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-sacred-heart-of-jesus-catholic-answers-guide
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Heart
(Finally, my many, many fucked up years of religious school has paid off.)
Yea, but a burning heart also works well as a symbol for Caritas
Unhinged and I am so here for it. Peace be with you.
We are all cringe on this blessed day.
Based
That’s a halo, not the sun. Because he’s a saint.
Thanks updated!
How typical of Man to consider murder something a Saint would do, and murder as justice.
Edit: Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history both share to whatever degree. (I’m not religious, but I do believe in a creator of some kind).
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
You might wanna study the bible a little bit more
Socrates, The Story of Jonah, and Jesus.
A lot of this I learned and thought out through reading Tolstoy’s hard work in his non-fictions: Confession, What I Believe, The Gospel In Brief, and The Kingdom of God is Within You
“Socrates believed that his mission from a God (the one that supposedly spoke through the oracle at Delphi) was to examine his fellow citizens and persuade (teach) them that the most important good for a human being was the health of the soul. Wealth, he insisted, does not bring about human excellence or virtue, but virtue makes wealth and everything else good for human beings (Apology 30b).” https://iep.utm.edu/socrates/#%3A~%3Atext=He+believed+that+his+mission%2Chuman+beings+(Apology+30b). The story of Jonah in the bible (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah+1&version=NIV) teaches that the knowledge of the value of virtue, selflessness and goodness needs to be taught; it’s a knowledge that needs to gained. Because like it teaches at the very end of the story: some people don’t even have the ability to “tell their right hand from their left” (Autism Spectrum Disorder for example). Or in other words: ignorance (lack of knowledge) is an inevitability; nobody can know until they know. The now pejorative term is neither an insult, nor is it insulting; it’s nothing more than an adjective to explain my, yours, or anythings lack of knowledge to anything in particular. All hate and evil can be catorgorized as this inevitable lack of knowledge—thus, warranting any degree of it infinite forgiveness, because again: you don’t know until you know, this would of course include the lack of knowledge to the value of virtue that leads to hate, evil, and iniquity. Socrates on ignorance and evil: https://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/apology/idea-nature-of-evil/
Jesus referenced the story of Jonah twice in The Gospels, both times being challenged to show a sign of his divinity: 4 "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” - Matt 16:4 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16&version=ESV
Jesus would always refer to God as “Father” because that’s how he was taught about what this God consists of, as having a parents kind of love for you—rememeber the very beginning of The Gospels, where he becomes lost and is found at a temple as a child? And is taught of God as being his “Father;” if you had a child and they committed suicide, would you want them to burn eternally in a lake of fire for it? Of course not. And Jesus didn’t know who his real father was correct? Interesting right? Ultimately what I’m trying to say is that everything we know of God now has came from a collection of blind men, telling other blind men that what they have to say should be held as unquestionably true via the influences of the idea of a God and an Afterlife (of a “heaven”). Everything after Jesus—Paul’s letters, The Gospels to a degree, The Nicene Creed, The Book of Revelation, the idea that a God of love unconditionally would bother with conditions like having to believe Jesus was divine or any of the seemingly infinite amount of external conditions that need to be met to call yourself a “true Christian.” Despite Jesus calling the Pharisees hypocrites every chance he could get and when his disciples told him of some external thing that they needed (bread in the circumstance linked) he would dismiss it as completely unnecessary: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A5-20&version=NIV
Jesus calling out Pharisees: 8"But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers (to “our father”). 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." - Matt 23:8 25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean." - Matt 23:25 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+23&version=NIV
Now lets take a look at one of my favorite things Jesus said, on the the Sermon On the Mount (debately, the most publicized point of his teaching, thus, the most accurate in my opinion) that lead to another connection between what Socrates did and had to say, and Jesus (keep in mind the extent Greek influence made its way throughout Jerusalem and the surrounding areas at this point in time):
“Socrates believed that the most important pursuit in life was to constantly examine one’s beliefs and actions through critical thinking,” (lest you find yourself throwing the supposed messiah up on a cross—like the Pharisees, or persecuting early followers of Jesus’ teaching convinced its right, true, and just—like Paul, or in a war between nations, or collectively hating someone or something, etc.) “and he would not back down from this practice even when it made others uncomfortable.” https://philolibrary.crc.nd.edu/article/no-apologies/#%3A~%3Atext=The+Examined+Life%2Cstill+less+likely+to+believe.
Oaths 33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[g]
Anything more then yes or no regarding the influences that come from the idea of a heaven (God and an afterlife), or Earth (people and what they’re presently sharing in), only comes from a worry, a need, a fear for oneself: a selfishness. Questions like that only come from our sense of selfishness, and only lead to division, i.e., religion or even more theoretical sciences and philosophy; this is why it’s so important to always consider anything man made as questionably true, opposed to unquestionably true, and that it’s no longer up for question, or whats called: infalliable (no longer capable of error). Questions like what does a God or Afterlife consist of or how exactly did the universe begin, pale in comparison to the truth that is our capacity for selflessness not only individually, but especially, collectively; God or not.
It’s only what a man thinks that can truly defile it: “What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” - Matt 15:11 "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.” - Matt 15:17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15&version=NIV It’s “oath-taking,” so to speak, that leads to slander and the collective hate that’s bred from it—racism, hate between cities or their high school sports teams, hate in general if you think about it enough, quarrel at all between nations and any potential war between them, and the list goes on. We’re all humans; one race, brothers and sisters. The worst thing to come from “oath-taking” in my opinion is the hinderance of foreign influences or new knowledge and an open mind along with it. Because it’s this that determines the capacity and how detailed ones imagination is, and it’s imagination that serves as the basis of our ability to empathize, thus, love.
Interesting how neither Jesus or Socrates wrote anything down, and both even went as far as giving their lives dying a martyr trying to teach what they had to say.
“The hardest to love, are the ones that need it the most.” - Socrates
that’s why i worship oil and medicine execs, they have never hurt or killed anyone with their hands and they help make the world go round!
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Don’t worry about that guy. He’s just taking his high horse out for a spin.
Must be nice to be so high up that they can’t see all the people their perspective is helping to trample below them.
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
i was being genuine come join my church we have softserve and bagels
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
You actually got me to laugh this morning and i almost spit my coffee out so thank you for that! (I’m not being snarky here, that was genuinely funny)
bwahaha merry christmas 😆
Like, both together, or seperated?
however you want tbh
Let’s be progressive and advocate for separation of church and bagel
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Like, Joan of Arc, the Knights Templar blaj blah blah, let alone the Spanish inquisitions and various macelvelian Popes
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
And the Inquisitions and Crusades were what now?
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Were you ever even in the vicinity of a bible?
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
Hell of a trolley problem ratio, though.
Saints are known and martyred for their selflessness and self‐sacrifice. The church is as man made as the Saints, hence all the bad history I’m sure both share to some degree; your proof only proves my point further.
Peacemaking is peacemaking; love is love; we shouldn’t dismiss all the good someone does just because what their shirt connotates. 2+2 is still 4 whether its Hitler or Jesus saying it. Returning good for evil done is more logical whether it’s Hitler or Jesus going about it.
