Seems like they are over complicating it…

“Evan’s younger brother had experienced some serious mental health issues and he was awaiting news of a diagnosis.”

“his mother was a schizophrenic and a heroin addict who often paid for her drug habit with sex. They were homeless, moving constantly. Often she would head off for days at a time, leaving Evan with friends or relatives, or sometimes on his own, without food. When he was 11, she took her own life”

“Evan’s father began to suffer with mental health issues. By the time the pandemic arrived, he was in full crisis, using drugs and worried enough about Covid that he had locked himself inside his house. For a week, Evan stayed with him, and they shuttled back and forth to hospital as his father experienced mounting phobias and suicidal thoughts, but refused treatment. At the end of that week, his father took his own life.”

Dude literally had the deck stacked against him.

“The real problem came when Evan inherited his share of his father’s estate – $170,000. He used some of the money to rent an apartment. “But I had extreme schizophrenia and I just filled it with trash because I was so out of my mind,” he says. “I was seeing faces dripping down the walls, I couldn’t even be in there.””

And this, kids, is why the “Housing First” model won’t work. Mental Health and addiction treatment have to come first THEN housing.

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    Do you think there’s no professional managing the case? That they just give them keys, a pat on the back, and proclaim “Figure it out!” It’s naive to think either solution is a magic bullet, but one approach has statistically better outcomes.

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      That’s EXACTLY the problem with Housing First. Legally they are prevented from placing restrictions on the housing.

      So they can’t demand residents enter treatment, remain sober, take their meds or even obtain proper meds.

      It’s housing without restrictions and that plainly does not work if the people you are housing have severe mental illness and addiction issues.

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          Again, you could try reading the sources already provided and quoted above. Here, I’ll bold the important part just for you:

          Housing First forbids requiring beneficiaries, as a condition of receiving assistance, to attend drug rehabilitation programs, look for work, or even take their mental health medicines as directed by a doctor. They can accept services that might be—and often are—offered, but they are under no enforceable obligation to do so. If they take drugs, refuse work, or even are charged with crimes, housing is still available to them.”

          Under a housing first model, they legally cannot require prospective residents enter treatment as a condition of housing.

          That’s literally the definition of “Housing First” and why it’s doomed to failure.

          They can’t turn away someone who is in treatment, which is great, but they can’t demand someone enter treatment, which is the failure point.

          If addicts are given a choice without consequence, they will choose to feed the addiction, they won’t seek treatment. That’s the nature of addiction. They aren’t going to make the right choice of their own volition.

          Oregon saw this with the utter failure of Measure 110… Let’s legalize drugs, if someone gets caught with drugs, we’ll give them a choice:

          1. A $100 ticket with no enforcement.
          2. Call a toll free number and ask about treatment. You don’t have to actually ENTER treatment, just call the number and ASK about it.

          16,000 people ticketed. Care to guess how many people chose option #2?

          https://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/measure-110-secretary-of-state-audit-drug-decriminalization/283-a6fe5145-42ee-4007-8d19-fc92683436d3

          "The agency did get the hotline set up, but had only received 119 calls related to the drug treatment program as of June 2022, at an estimated cost to the program of more than $7,000 per call.

          Of those calls, only 27 people were interested in drug treatment resources."

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            It boggles my mind how you manage to dance around every request for science backed evidence focusing only on your preconceived notions. When you weirdly in the most internet way say I won’t read the scientific article cited in the conservative think tank whose only purpose is to skewer housing first and misrepresent it’s working. I read it and note that that they misuse the findings of the journal. Silence.

            I ask for scientific studies to support your view. There is now several decades of systematic research to support it’s role in addressing the homelessness crisis. Why? Is it just because you don’t want to read a view that may complicate your prescription? Do you not feel comfortable reading scientific articles? What is going on?

            Your definition never mentions the role of case worker in developing goals and creating buy in for compliance. Patience, even highly motivated ones, regularly lapse in compliance. Life changing transformations are not easy.

            I provided a quote that we don’t have understanding why people get clean. It’s not because we force them, that’s for sure.

            Why do you now bring up 110? Does this have anything to do with Housing First? Or is it part of so opus that addicts are bad children who need to be forced to do what’s good for them?

            I don’t think we’re going to meet in a space of mutual understanding. I think your presumptions that there people get clean only if you force them. You just keep on shouting at me that this is true. Show me some evidence because everything I see from scientific studies to front line workers say, “On occasion or happens, but the harm it does to others is far worse.”

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              It boggles my mind how you ignore repeated direct responses to your questions, almost like you aren’t actually interested in the answers…

              Here it is again, 3rd time on one source, 2nd time on the other. Do I need to use smaller words?

              You rejected the other sources on this, you reject a local source on this, I’m not sure how many sources you want before you’ll accept Housing First doesn’t work.

              If you want a journal, they’re out there too…

              In fact, if you had bothered to look at the footnotes on the very first source I gave you:

              3rd time citing this one:

              https://ciceroinstitute.org/research/housing-first-is-a-failure/

              “Yet studies have now shown that simply providing people subsidized housing does not reduce drug use, and often encourages it, which makes sense because there is no mandated treatment in PSH and the free unit provides people with more money to pursue their habits.[10]”

              You would have seen the sources cited such as:

              2nd time citing this one:

              [10] “Rebecca A. Cherner, et. al., “Housing First for Adults with Problematic Substance Use,” Journal of Dual Diagnosis 13 (2017); Tsai, J., Kasprow, W.J., & Rosenheck, R.A. Alcohol and drug use disorders among homeless veterans: Prevalence and association with supported housing outcomes. Addictive Behaviors, 39 (2014): 455-460;”

              But you aren’t interested in the articles telling you what the papers say, you definitely won’t be reading the papers either.

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                I saw it. I read it. I commented on it.

                The study they use to support that quote does not actually support that quote. You should read the discussion section of the cited study. Did you ever wonder why they only cited one seven year old journal article? And then misrepresent it’s findings?

                Do you realize that the Cicero Institute isn’t a journal? I wrote elsewhere who they are. They are not a reliable source.

                Do I need to use smaller words?

                What is wrong with you? Do you not realize we are having a discussion elsewhere in this thread?

                1. The Cicero Institute isn’t a journal. They are a right wing think tank.
                2. They cite a single study in that article.
                3. The use that citation to support a sentence that is no where near what is stated in study.
                4. You fail to look at any systematic studies regarding Housing First.
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          It’s some child trying his first hand at commenting online. Just overly confident and absolutely full of bullshit.

          Fucking Trump empowering dipshits like this.