I rarely get into these sorts of debaters because they’re almost always pointless, however a few of the things you said made me want to answer this.
You’re completely missing the point for the first argument, people can’t choose to fly or kill each other by staring, so if humans were created by God then any flaws in humanity, including but not limited to ability to suffer and cause suffering, is part of God’s design that he could have removed. In other words, if God gave people the option to cause harm knowing they would (omniscience, remember) then he’s directly responsible for everything bad that happens, it’s like a father that gives a sharp knife to a kid and tells him to go run and play with his friends. God could have prevented suffering to begin with, therefore the fact that it exists proves that suffering is part of his plan. If that’s the case then yes, you being bullied and your bully being in an abusive home is all done by design, which is very twisted if you think about it.
As for the second argument you admit that things exist outside our universe that can affect it, if that’s the case you don’t need God to create the Universe, we could be the result of a collision between two extra dimensional rocks. And that’s sort of the point of that argument, i.e. that you don’t need God to explain the beginning of the Universe because whatever question you have about the origin of the Universe can also be directed at God (e.g. and what caused that) and whatever answer you give using God can also be used for a non-God answer (e.g. extra dimensional causes)
Extra dimensional causes for creation, sustainability and order? Yeah, that’s what we call God, lol. And it has to be One, for actual reasons (read Ibn Arabi).
And I know God could’ve made the human equivalent of calculators, but he didn’t want to. There’s no other way to ‘make people that cause no harm’. I mean, many of my sad memories involve only words, should God have made people mute? You can forget the hands too, lol. He wanted intelligent beings with freedom. He made a sandbox and put us in it. Everything you’re talking about is nothing but the product of human ingenuity (and even before knives we were using sticks and stones), and all the evil you’ve been subjected to is the product of the misuse of human freedom. We wouldn’t even be able to reflect on things like we are right now if it weren’t for it! You want a world in which PEOPLE are not people, and are disappointed in God, instead of being happy of being alive for free (and I assume you’re enjoying it because you’re an adult arguing online, not the e-ghost of a man who roped some years ago) and being disappointed in people misusing their freedom (if you’re a correct person as I hope you are you see how easy it is not to be blight on the world). It’s immature and the product of a misunderstanding of reality. And I didn’t have a bully, I was the ‘bully’! But I wanted to make it ‘relatable’. And yes, you can 100% act right after a very difficult childhood. Knowing this is how I know the people who in their adulthood are still misbehaving are simply being willingly lazy and dgaf and/or hiding their heads in the sand in cowardice…
Nope, just extra dimensional cause for creation, no higher purpose required, for all we know whenever two rocks collide in that scenario they create a universe.
Also no, you’re completely missing the point, if God is omnipotent he could have made humans to never suffer and still be free, in theory most Christians believe that Heaven is free of suffering, do you cease being yourself when you go to heaven then? Just because you or I can’t imagine a world where humans are free but can’t hurt one another doesn’t mean that’s beyond the realm of possibilities, and if your counter argument will be that then we wouldn’t really be free, I tell you that humans can’t explode someone by looking at them, so he already imposed some limitations on the amount of harm we could cause to each other, yet you don’t see this as less freedom because you just accepted that’s the natural state, I propose there could be a natural state where humans can’t cause harm to each other and are still free.
No, you’re picturing impossibilities because not every thought is rational, thinking they could become realities and being disappointed about it and finally blaming God for it. “If God were truly omnipotent he’d make 1=0 and A≠A!”. And perhaps only those who were tested and showed, at least by the end of their days, that they were people who refused and would never cross (again?) major moral lines are accepted in a place with no lackings and no stress, which means Heaven can actually be entirely utopic. And if humans had lasers coming from their eyes from birth then we wouldn’t have made it past our first cave and God would’ve just had to make humans like us so we could actually develop a little bit, lol. Thank God he didn’t make us with lazerssss! 😂 Or claws or fangs, for that matter. At least we developed/were given moral codes that we can easily understand and willingly follow early enough in our civilizational development, cause we were dangerous and impulsive enough without them and now we have nukes… But of course He didn’t, cause we might be stupid AF at times but He’s on the opposite end, in a category of His own.
I rarely get into these sorts of debaters because they’re almost always pointless, however a few of the things you said made me want to answer this.
You’re completely missing the point for the first argument, people can’t choose to fly or kill each other by staring, so if humans were created by God then any flaws in humanity, including but not limited to ability to suffer and cause suffering, is part of God’s design that he could have removed. In other words, if God gave people the option to cause harm knowing they would (omniscience, remember) then he’s directly responsible for everything bad that happens, it’s like a father that gives a sharp knife to a kid and tells him to go run and play with his friends. God could have prevented suffering to begin with, therefore the fact that it exists proves that suffering is part of his plan. If that’s the case then yes, you being bullied and your bully being in an abusive home is all done by design, which is very twisted if you think about it.
As for the second argument you admit that things exist outside our universe that can affect it, if that’s the case you don’t need God to create the Universe, we could be the result of a collision between two extra dimensional rocks. And that’s sort of the point of that argument, i.e. that you don’t need God to explain the beginning of the Universe because whatever question you have about the origin of the Universe can also be directed at God (e.g. and what caused that) and whatever answer you give using God can also be used for a non-God answer (e.g. extra dimensional causes)
Extra dimensional causes for creation, sustainability and order? Yeah, that’s what we call God, lol. And it has to be One, for actual reasons (read Ibn Arabi).
And I know God could’ve made the human equivalent of calculators, but he didn’t want to. There’s no other way to ‘make people that cause no harm’. I mean, many of my sad memories involve only words, should God have made people mute? You can forget the hands too, lol. He wanted intelligent beings with freedom. He made a sandbox and put us in it. Everything you’re talking about is nothing but the product of human ingenuity (and even before knives we were using sticks and stones), and all the evil you’ve been subjected to is the product of the misuse of human freedom. We wouldn’t even be able to reflect on things like we are right now if it weren’t for it! You want a world in which PEOPLE are not people, and are disappointed in God, instead of being happy of being alive for free (and I assume you’re enjoying it because you’re an adult arguing online, not the e-ghost of a man who roped some years ago) and being disappointed in people misusing their freedom (if you’re a correct person as I hope you are you see how easy it is not to be blight on the world). It’s immature and the product of a misunderstanding of reality. And I didn’t have a bully, I was the ‘bully’! But I wanted to make it ‘relatable’. And yes, you can 100% act right after a very difficult childhood. Knowing this is how I know the people who in their adulthood are still misbehaving are simply being willingly lazy and dgaf and/or hiding their heads in the sand in cowardice…
Nope, just extra dimensional cause for creation, no higher purpose required, for all we know whenever two rocks collide in that scenario they create a universe.
Also no, you’re completely missing the point, if God is omnipotent he could have made humans to never suffer and still be free, in theory most Christians believe that Heaven is free of suffering, do you cease being yourself when you go to heaven then? Just because you or I can’t imagine a world where humans are free but can’t hurt one another doesn’t mean that’s beyond the realm of possibilities, and if your counter argument will be that then we wouldn’t really be free, I tell you that humans can’t explode someone by looking at them, so he already imposed some limitations on the amount of harm we could cause to each other, yet you don’t see this as less freedom because you just accepted that’s the natural state, I propose there could be a natural state where humans can’t cause harm to each other and are still free.
No, you’re picturing impossibilities because not every thought is rational, thinking they could become realities and being disappointed about it and finally blaming God for it. “If God were truly omnipotent he’d make 1=0 and A≠A!”. And perhaps only those who were tested and showed, at least by the end of their days, that they were people who refused and would never cross (again?) major moral lines are accepted in a place with no lackings and no stress, which means Heaven can actually be entirely utopic. And if humans had lasers coming from their eyes from birth then we wouldn’t have made it past our first cave and God would’ve just had to make humans like us so we could actually develop a little bit, lol. Thank God he didn’t make us with lazerssss! 😂 Or claws or fangs, for that matter. At least we developed/were given moral codes that we can easily understand and willingly follow early enough in our civilizational development, cause we were dangerous and impulsive enough without them and now we have nukes… But of course He didn’t, cause we might be stupid AF at times but He’s on the opposite end, in a category of His own.