• naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 months ago

    ITT people do all sorts of gymnastics instead of saying “I know but I just don’t care enough”

    Just be honest with yourself, if the emissions, pollution, land useage, and staggering cruelty don’t bother you more than the 15 minutes of pleasure you get from a Burger pleases you just say it.

    If it does, and you feel the need to defend yourself because of it just change. I promise you it’s less difficult than you think and there are millions of people waiting to help you learn new delicious and nutritious methods of preparing food. Remember basically all vegans were raised carnist and most of us are complete garbage fires (as the internet so loves to point out (-; ) I promise you that you can do it and you won’t even really miss meat after a few months.

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      11 months ago

      And some people will point at people individual choices rather than the corporations and states who promoted this lifestyle.

      What pisses me the most about ecologists nowadays is how liberals they are. If you want to feel good about yourself, feel free, but don’t pretend all people are responsible for climate change by themselves because they’re eating meat.

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        11 months ago

        Systems can be broken and incentivise poor behaviour while individual actions also make a difference.

        Besides, where will your political change come from? people who wont even change their diet? Just like how all those environmental protections were brought into being by people who criticised the people chaining themselves to trees for thinking individual actions mattered?

        The meat industry is terrified of vegans, they spend millions rewriting laws and producing propaganda to limit us. maybe they have reasons why.

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      11 months ago

      ITT people do all sorts of gymnastics instead of saying “I know but I just don’t care enough”

      Because the reality is that there’s more than two people in the world. Most people are neither vegans nor assholes who don’t care enough. There’s those of us who think vegans are wrong. It’s funny how many environmental scientists are not in support of a world exodus towards veganism and yet my choice are “stop eating meat or admit you just don’t care”

      How about “having spent my life around cattle farms, I know more than the person talking to me on this topic so they can go fly a kite”? Or “I have cattle specialists with advanced degrees in my family and after long discussion with them, I see all the gaps that these half-ass arguments online are missing”

      …no, you’re right. We just don’t care enough. Oh look, I just found a study that shows that eating vegetables might be bad for the climate. Stop eating vegetables too, or you “just don’t care enough”

      • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 months ago

        Ok I’ll humour you: what are vegans wrong about?

        Land usage?

        water usage?

        Fertiliser usage?

        That animal farms are hubs of disease outbreaks?

        Thermodynamics?

        Where the Amazon is going?

        That killing/branding/doing surgery/forced impregnation etc when you don’t have to is wrong?