What a very ironic post by this poster. It says everything we’ve been saying. So either the poster doesn’t read the articles it posts, or it agrees with me about wasted votes, and is just posting and commenting to piss people off. Really, not great form here.

Yes. A vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote in the US Presidential election. It’s a wasted vote in everywhere but Alaska and Maine, honestly, and is a wasted vote there if you don’t vote the major party as a second or third or whatever vote. Sure, you might vote a third party in order to express dissatisfaction for both major party candidates or a preference for a minor party candidate, but it won’t move the needle. Voting isn’t a single person thing, because you have an infinitesimal influence in the election: 1/150,000,000 for the Presidential election, made even worse if you factor in the Electoral College. The key to getting what you want is convincing others to join you, and voting tactically so that you get the guy or gal you can have a conversation with in office.

With how touchy the Mods are about us criticising Monk here, I suggest you clarify who the fat ass is. 🤣 It certainly applies to the Trumpster Fire, that’s for sure.

Honestly, the media will amplify this jerk because it generates clicks and views, and thus advertising dollars and engagement. It’d be nice if we didn’t amplify this jerk here at lemmy, but … well, I expect the ‘I do what I want hur’ response any minute now, so here we are. Trump amplified. The BS persists.

Bye, Mr. Convicted Sealion. For now, at least. ;)

Nah, I don’t think I will listen to what this poser is saying…err, sorry, POSTER. Missed a T there. I swear it was accidental. :)

1. This is the Internet, where the Men are Men, the Women are Men, the Children are FBI Agents, and nobody knows I’m a cat.
2. If it is true what this poster is saying it does for a living, does that mean it’s stealing company time, or just REALLY dedicated and posting one post every 12 minutes for 8 hours when it’s not eating, sleeping, and working?
3. It really loves to tell people what they can and can’t do. No, I don’t think I will respect its commandment that I not post its stats if it doesn’t get to curate what I’m saying with them. I stand by my statement. This poster posts a ridiculous amount of time. So much that it can be questioned. Dear reader, it’s up to you to decide if once every 18 minutes on average over every day of this poster’s time on Lemmy is a mark of a real poster, or someone who is far more nefarious.

See? This is the bullshit this poster throws out when confronted.

NOBODY is going to go make a scatter-graph of this poster’s posting habits to show how often it’s on posting. We’re just going to do the easy maths. Like I just did. ON AVERAGE this poster makes a comment every 18 minutes. If it sleeps 8 hours, we would divide 80 by 16, and the posting rate becomes an even more insane once per 12 minutes, every waking moment of the day. And then we start asking other uncomfortable questions, like…‘does this person work for a living? Or is this person’s work posting on here for a living?’ Not where I think this poster wants us to start drifting in our thinking, I don’t think.

But that fits with the ban for trolling this poster got. It knows that once every 18 minutes, or once every 12 minutes sixteen hours a day, or once every six minutes eight hours a day looks bad, so it starts distractifying with the nonsense that I’m saying straight out that it stays up 24/7/365 which would make it a bot or at least a group of people operating on 24 hour shifts. I’m just saying that if you average it all out, this poster is dedicating ridiculously stupidly large amounts of time to force it down our throat that it’s voting third party.

Again. I’m only interacting with this poster because we’re not crushing Trump 70 to 30. Were we, I’d not even bother with this foolish human (?) – let it waste its vote if it wants, that won’t make Trump more likely. But somehow, Trump is pulling 49.8% in some very scary places, and we ALL need to be all hands on deck, and the only reason you wouldn’t be is if you don’t mind if Trump wins and fucks the entire goddamn country in the process.

This poster seems to have forgotten the times it ‘slid up in my DMs’ to ‘check up on me’…I haven’t. :)

This is the poster’s posting history from my perspective. 1490+ posts. 3410+ comments. That’s over a 61 day period. That’s 4900 posts and comments, which comes out to 80 posts and comments a day, 3.347 posts per hour, or roughly once per 17.9 minutes.

The receipts are up there. Thanks @SatansMaggotyCumFart for the work of figuring out this poster’s utter dedication to posting.

This poster disagrees that it was guilty of Sealioning. That’s amusing.

Dear reader, let’s look at what Sealioning is.

In short, it’s a form of trolling. Sealioning is defined specifically by the following characteristics:

• A faux veneer of civility. That’s because the troll wants to play victim when others lose their sense of civility dealing with said troll.
• Persistence. Another poster here points out how often this poster posts, and it comes out to once every 18 minutes, every hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. A Sealion tries to erode one’s sense of goodwill and decorum by constantly hounding people that disagree with it,
• A fake attempt to appear to be trying to educate oneself or others.

Sealioning isn’t an exact match for this poster’s behaviour, but it’s damn close. Little petty grammar and spelling nazi comments. Intruding into other people’s DMs without permission. Constantly hiding behind the community rules. Using and abusing the fuck out of laws of civility and this community, while having zero intention to do anything but be disruptive, annoying, insulting, condescending, and otherwise just plain unpleasant, secure in the knowledge that we can’t call it out for what it is because the Mods have handcuffed us with these silly ‘be civil’ rules.

The mods have actually tagged this poster with a three day timeout for being a troll. I don’t think that gives me permission to carte blanc call this poster a troll, but I can at least point out every time I see it pushing its latest nonsense that the moderator team here has suspended its access for 3 days for trolling. We’ll see if the mods let that stay up. Given the nonsense that the mods have let stay up for the person they put in time out for being a troll, I hope it will. Kind of like calling out a convicted thief as a thief, or a convicted fraudster as a fraudster. Just with a silly extra step because we wouldn’t want to be uncivil to someone who is wanting to be uncivil to us.

If this poster didn’t take our feedback personally, it’d go to its special little corner of Lemmy and post all it wants there, because obviously the community here doesn’t like this poster, and finally, the moderation team is saying they’ve had enough of its shit.

It’s here because it really wants to ‘show us up’, posting incendiary topics, needling posters, pushing this meme that Trump would be better than Harris, and constantly egging on commentor after commentor.

Emphasis on this point.

Jill Stein has NO path to victory. She would require a 50%+1 majority in at least 270 EV worth of states. She doesn’t even have 10% of the vote share in any state. Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump, and about as effective as staying home on Election Day.

This particular poster’s shiny object, Rechele Fruit, has even LESS of a chance. This candidate would require 50%+1 in three states, plus a successful write-in campaign for 50%+1 in another nine states (has that EVER happened in a SINGLE state) to get 87 EVs, a far cry from the 270 she needs to be elected. A vote for her is a fart in the wind. She doesn’t even make the polling.

One of two people will take the Oath of Office in 2025. If you don’t want Donald Trump and Project 2025 shoved up our privates, vote Harris. If you don’t want Harris, for whatever reason, may you suffer the consequences of Project 2025 particularly harshly, though I doubt many of the shi…err, posters who post here bashing Harris and the Dems will have to suffer the consequences of their claimed votes.

Stolen Valour.

Dear reader, when you read OP’s posts, take the time to look at the upvote to downvote percentage. This poster is going out of its way to bash Democrats, and while we can’t say why that is (thanks mods!!!), we CAN say that there is a concerted effort by Republicans, Russians, right-wing trolls, and other authoritarians to throw this election to Trump to establish authoritarianism here. Keep that in mind as you read these articles from this poster.

And gets downvoted by ridiculous measures, which I’m glad for.

And this poster’s response to this was as predictable as the sun rising in the east, setting in the west, water rolling downhill, and Russell Wilson sitting on the bench for a different team while we pay for him. 🤣

You called this poster out properly, and the mods refusal to let us call a spade a spade here. Readers, I invite you to read the definition of a troll from Merriam-Webster: to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content. The poster that constantly changes its name over and over again repeats it’ll keep posting its content despite being soundly rejected over and over again, just so it can piss us off. I’m not asking for it to be removed, though I sure won’t turn down such an outcome. But can we at least call a spade a spade where this poster is concerned?

The poster you’re replying to is very much designed to drive engagement, and any attention, good or bad, serves its purposes. I’d rather not feed this particular type of poster, but if we don’t point out the flaws in its reasoning, we might lose a few of those genuine Greens and Socialists.

I don’t disagree that voting in America is a pick between a steaming mug of donkey pee, and an elephant dung sandwich, and has been this way for decades. I’m even with you in that we should have a choice that doesn’t include donkey pee and elephant dung. But the reality is you can’t have 150 million different people in the world’s largest picnic each get different food, so there HAS to be a limited menu to vote from, lest nobody can agree on what we’re gonna eat and we all go hungry. And whatever has the most votes at the end of the day will be what we all eat, and unfortunately, that looks like it’ll be between not just donkey pee and elephant dung, but that the elephant has a bad case of gastroenteritis and the bread on the sandwich is EXTREMELY mouldy, AND there are a crazy number of rabid fans of elephant dung sandwiches for some fucked up reason. There are also a lot of crazies who have a taste for donkey pee, but at least you can wash that down with a stiff alcoholic drink. The elephant diarrhoea with two mouldy pieces of bread, on the other hand, can’t be gotten rid of except with a high-pressure wash. Since I don’t want the elephant excrement consumers to dictate what I am doing, and there’s not enough sane people in the world to offset the donkey pee or elephant dung choosers, I’ll pick the lesser of two evils.

And I say this as someone who is already a lockin for Proposition 131 (Colorado’s RCV) and who has voted third party in the past.

Yep. I’m not concerned one bit what self-described Socialist Chaos Tro…w is going to do in the privacy of the voting booth. If all it was doing was voting Third Party, I’d only blame it in aggregate for the outcome if Trump won by thinner margins than the number of idiots (and I’ll stand behind using this word to describe them) who voted for Left-Wing Third Parties.

What I’m arguing against is this poster and its ilk coming in and saying we shouldn’t vote Dem, and pushing inane BS like the Dems are somehow as bad as or even worse than the GQP and that it’s OK to throw our votes away as Third Party votes in light of what Team Pepe and the Trumpster Fire has planned for everyone in this country.

I’m too OLD to fight in a Civil War!

I do think you’ll disappear after election day. If you’re smart and you lose, you should disappear after election day, because we will point out once again, that like the past 59 elections, Third Parties won zip and accomplished zip. But I see you’re looking forward to proving me wrong, and all you have to do is like tag me or some such shit, at which point, I’ll call you a loser and/or a jerk and be done with it, even if the mods remove that post. You see, Mr. IMMA VOTE THIRD PARTY HUR!, my job is to only counter your bull until the election. Once it’s done, I’m done with you, at least until the next election comes up and you start doing Putin’s and Trump’s (or whoever replaces him, hopefully) again. I could literally block you the day after the election and nothing of value would be lost at that point. The only reason I entertain you now is I don’t want anyone buying your bullcrap here. Debunking your constant spew is a full time job, though, which is why I don’t respond to everything you post.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to address the Trump thing. You see, if all you did was vote Third Party, I couldn’t actually call you out because that would be your little secret. But you’re not just planning to vote Third Party. You’re here and presumably other places literally spewing out one post ever 18 or so minutes day in and day out screaming how Third Parties are good. Your third party vote is roughly 1/20,000 of the end result in a swing state. But peddling the BS that you can vote Third Party without concern? That could convince a lot of people. I’m trying to do my part to counter (not shut down, counter) your bull so that people in a close swing state won’t subject everyone in this country, including my Black bisexual pagan goth wife, to Project 2025…

I will never be friends with people who want to subject me and people I care about to Project 2025…

Nah, I’ll just tell you you’ve got a weird obsession if Harris wins, and rightfully point out that you led us to getting Project 2025 with your dumb vote if Trump wins.

Fortunately you’re not a moderator and don’t get to say what is and is not allowed. Rule 3 does allow us to say that Muslim Americans, or indeed anyone else, who votes Third Party or stays home as morons. We just can’t call you (and you can’t call us) morons directly.

Dear reader, we got the Shitgibbon in 2017 because a very small fraction of our voters in each of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (1.07% in MI, 0.81% in PA, 1.04% in WI) defected to the Green candidate. These states were lost by a narrower margin than the number of voters who voted Stein, allowing Trump to run roughshod over the country for 4 years, being a Russian Asset and damaging the fabric of our nation’s norms, making the place a worse place. It doesn’t take a lot of voters, and yes, I am worried that some Lemmy voters will read the trip this poster is posting and decide to give Stein a chance, like those voters did in 2016.

I can’t call this guy a moron because Rule 3, but I can say ‘if you vote third party in this election with what’s at stake, you’re a fucking moron’ as a general statement. Please make the smart choice. Don’t listen to this … poster.