Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?

To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.

Literally nothing is going to happen to them. They’re going to be released once they get the boat hauled to an Israeli port and then Israel’s calls their respective embassies. This was this group’s intention from the start.

I think they’re getting better treatment because they were very clear that this whole thing is meant to be a publicity stunt. The idea was to have Israel come and intercept them from the start, they never had any plans to actually land on Gaza. This is why they spelled out exactly what they were going to do, why didn’t carry any real amount of aid, and why they were so cooperative when Israel did eventually intercept them.

The Oct 7 terrorist attacks weren’t ghetto uprising. They weren’t spontaneous, grassroots, or widespread. They were premeditated terrorist attacks by specific terrorist groups to cause as much harm as they could to the nearby Israeli population. The first and second intifadas could be argued as ghetto uprisings, this is nothing like that.

No, this is what will realistically happen:

1. They’ll intercept the boat
2. They’ll haul it to a nearby Israeli port (like the port of Ashdod)
3. They’ll detain and question the people on board for a bit to confirm their identities
4. They’ll call their respective embassies in Israel
5. They’ll have them either released to the embassies or directly deported to their countries

And that would be the end of it.

Yes, it’s publicity stunt. If Israel for whatever reason decided to let them get close to Gaza’s shore, they will never actually land. They will get close then turn they will their boat around and head back.

If they actually landed in Gaza, they won’t be welcomed as heroes. Instead, they would almost immediately get taken as hostages by either Hamas or normal civilians to use in negotiations with Israel. These activists know this, which is why they informed Israel and the rest of the world what the path they will take, what time they will travel, and what boat they’ll be using for the trip.

Yeah that’s not happening, Sweden’s foreign Minister has already come out and said that Greta Thunberg is safe, is a moron, and doesn’t need help but if she does then she’ll get the same help by the embassy as any other Swedish citizen:

Several protesters had gathered outside the Parliament House on Monday. This is to call on the Swedish government to act against Greta Thunberg and several other activists being arrested at sea outside Gaza.

“Israel has, as we judge, some opportunities to escort this ship with the international law,” the foreign minister said when she was interviewed outside the Chamber.

Israel claims Thunberg is “safe.” Swedish Foreign Minister Maria Malmer Stenergard believes that Thunberg is currently not in need of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs’ support.

“There is a great responsibility on those who choose to travel in violation of the advice that exists into a place,” says Malmer Stenergard.

“If she gets a need for consular support, we will do everything we can, just as we do with all Swedish citizens,” she continues. Encouraged to put pressure

The Ministry for Foreign Affairs is said to have been called down on Monday, says Malmer Stenergard. This after Greta Thunberg on social media urged “friends, family and comrades” to put pressure on Sweden’s government. This is what Maria Malmer Stenergard can have consequences.

“It is quite dangerous to conduct a campaign that means that the Ministry for Foreign Affairs’ consular emergency services will be called down. As a consequence, that the needy Swedes in the world will have to wait far too long in line, says the foreign minister.

Source: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/maria-malmer-stenergard-kritiserar-aktivister-efter-gretas-gripande

This is something that I see a lot and it’s irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it’s this:

a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement (source)

Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.

This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don’t even know if they’re even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel’s ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that’s just imprisonment.

You mean this suffragette movement?

Yes. It was a peaceful movement. Their goals weren’t achieved through violence.

Why is India partitioned, then?

The goal of the movement was to end British rule over the subcontinent, and they achieved that goal.

Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

You’re not giving these people their credit. The Soviet Union was filled with violent factions that wanted to prevent dissolution and the end of communism. These people managed to literally sing their way to independence.

I mean companies can force him out by themselves if they’re pressured enough. Also all companies make unsuccessful business bets. What matters is that from a neutral third person point of view, these companies aren’t doing anything that they’re not supposed to be doing. They’re putting sectors of the American economy in danger of collapse, they’re not committing crimes left and right, and their services are satisfactory for most people.

It’s a very real thing. So much so that OpenAI actually came out and publicly complained about how it’s apparently costing the company millions.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/telling-chatgpt-please-and-thank-you-costs-openai-millions-ceo-claims/

I mean that is the case, at least per the polling. I wonder what the right path would be to deradicalize two populations that hate each other.

All I could think of is this meme from Spongebob

You’re definitely correct that most people are ignorant on these models work. I think most people understand these models aren’t sentient, but even among those who do, they don’t become emotionally attached to these models. I’m just saying that the people who end up developing feelings for chatbots go beyond ignorance. They have issues that require years of therapy.

Please do. I would very much not see a clown on my feed who accuses others of things they don’t even understand.

Are you sure you’re not on drugs? Because this is quite the unhinged rant

I mean that is a very valid point. I do wonder why people have decided to make this specific conflict of all things a part of their core identity when they have nothing to do with it, especially when you consider how there are other conflicts of this scale or bigger that either happening or have happened in recent times. Some people are out here trying to justify atrocities because it supports “their side” and it’s the craziest thing to me.

A one state solution would be the best solution. If not a two state solution, the problem with the two state solution is that Israel will kick out Arab Israelis from Israel and settlers will be kicked out from the west bank

Oh, that is a good point. It’s crazy to think about, but a population exchange will end up displacing around 3 million people.

The issue with the one state solution is that both sides reject living along side each other, let alone under the rule of the other. In order for a one state solution to work, both need to be able to accept coexistence and support full rights for all, but that’s a tall order considering how much they hate each other.

I think we’re heading towards a single Israeli state that encompasses all the territory regardless. I just hope that the Israeli left will win out and use the country’s democratic institutions to push giving the Palestinians they annexed or will annex their full rights, and by doing so hopefully make the Palestinian population abandon the militant groups.

Morality say that we should support the oppressed side. We can hold anybody who is responsible of war crimes and terrorists accountable once occupation end from both side

I disagree. Morality isn’t about supporting sides, it’s about rejecting harmful behaviors universally. For example, we can both agree that Palestinians in Gaza are oppressed. But these people are facing layers oppression. Israel is oppressing them with an ethnic cleansing campaign, Egypt is adding on to it by helping enforce the blockade, Hamas and the other militant groups inside Gaza are piling on the oppression by ruling the strip with tyranny. These are all parties responsible for an immoral injustice against the same people, yet they are enemies. Supporting one over the other instead of opposing all of them is just helping perpetuate a cycle of oppression. What these people need is a clean slate, not a slightly less oppressive slate.