Yeah it’s our fault we’re upset about being lumped in with the “always men” abusers crowd while our rapists are lauded as “never abusers” on signage like this. How dare we be so uppity to engage our anger with that sign directly.

I’m literally in here saying “that sign is a lie and it makes me angry, as a male victim of woman rapists,” we can talk about “stop raping men too” and “charge women for rape not just ‘sexual assault’ when they compel sex” later, right now we’re talking about “don’t erase us with signs like these, please fucking include us in the movement” and we probably won’t stop doing that until it happens. Why must there be “I don’t care about male victims” and “I don’t care about woman victims” groups? Can’t we just join forces as victims vs abuse?

So if I make a sign that says “not all women but always a woman” because so far, both times I’ve been raped are by women, there wouldn’t be an uproar about how it’s sexist and excludes woman victims of male abusers?

Why should I be cast aside, lumped in with the “always a man” crowd as an abuser, while the women who abused me are lauded as victims? Why not just care about all victims of abuse? Why do we say “well you’re only 4% so you don’t matter” or “sit down and shut up we’re not talking about you” whenever male victims just want to be fucking included in the conversation and not forgotten about for once, and by the group that should be recognizing us as compatriots in our trauma at that?

She doesn’t have to put us down to make herself feel better and we’re rightfully angry that it happened again.

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You’re attempting to and I’m refusing, in protest. Go bother someone who cares about your opinion or something.

Don’t make me tap “the sign.” Y’know, the one you keep defending? The “always men” one? Idgaf if it’s supposed to be literal or not, fuck that sign either way.

If it’s an issue why attempt to silence me on the issue? If you agree it’s an issue why are you not calling it out when you see it? Would you agree racism is an issue? Do you also police when victims of racism can speak or only victims of rape?

Sure it does, so stop trying to get me to stop speaking against an example of it right now. If you don’t have anything good to ad don’t add anything at all.

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Same question.

Goddamn right, because the post just had to claim all rapists are men, which I just had to refute by being raped by two women (sorry to inconvenience you.)

Maybe next time make a sign for ALL victims of rape and sexual assault that doesn’t exclude male victims and excuse woman abusers.

I’ll do this wherever it is relevant, like under a post that says “always a man.” Guess what? Both times I was raped it was a woman, clearly not “always a man.” Just admit you don’t care about male victims either, we’re literally all used to it. What is it “I must have enjoyed it because I’m a man” hmm?

Lol does it feel good that they literally called you “one of the good ones?”

Personally I think that’s pretty wild, imagine saying that to a black person lol. I’d frankly be upset by that if I were you wait I am upset about it lol, look at me being one of those uppity men again.

Hell no I’ll advocate for myself and those like me until my fingers fall off to combat people like you, how 'bout you quit trying to silence rape victims, hmm?

To be quite frank, the vast majority of sexual violence against women is perpetrated by men. The vast majority of all sexual violence is against women.

Oh thank you for clarifying why you think me being raped is insignificant and doesn’t matter. Wanna go for the rest of the hits while we’re here? “You must have enjoyed it because you’re a man” and “she was hot you should consider yourself lucky,” or who could forget the classic “get over it pussy?”

Fine, if there’s nothing left to say, then say nothing. That’ll be better than what you’ve been doing.

Then put that on the sign, not “always men” ffs. The sign is a lie and a problem and the fact that you can’t see that means you’re part of that problem.

Nah lol I literally would be in here in full support without the sign, but with the sign I am reminded that even though I have been raped by two different women, not only am I seen as a horrid abuser for the crime of having been born with a penis, the women who raped me are seen as victims for the virtue of having a vagina. Erasing male victims and woman perpetrators in one fell swoop really isn’t a good look, it makes the issue gendered rather than about abusers V victims, and then to turn it around and claim that men are making it “all about us” as if the sign didn’t lead us there in the first place is some A+ victim blaming.

If women don’t like that the conversation becomes about male victims in response to their erasure of male victims (and in this case woman perpetrators), then women should start speaking up for ALL victims instead of erasing us, regardless of how insignificant they think we are ignoring us is hurting OUR cause, yes “ours:” victims’ regardless of gender.

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With how unlikely men are to report (or sometimes, they don’t even realize they have been raped), I’m not sure how they can accurately estimate.

In any case, making it a gendered issue and lumping me, a victim, in with the perpetrators simply because I was born with a penis, and lumping my rapists in with the victims because they were born with vaginas, isn’t what I call “cool.” I’d much prefer if we made it a victims VS victimizers thing, rather than a men VS women thing, personally.

Furthermore this whole “women can’t rape men” thing needs to be fixed. I simply will not have the conversation about “who rapes who more” until it is fixed, by acknowledging it as a legitimate law I am erasing my own experiences and enabling others to do so.

that’s being penetrated, I think it doesn’t include being made to penetrate, which is covered in other forms of sexual violence.

Right, in many municipalities it’s impossible for a woman to be charged with rape for forcing someone to have sex with them through coercive means. Until that is no longer the case “men rape more than women” is like saying “you’re more likely to starve without food.” No shit, because definitionally woman legally cannot be charged with rape for raping.

You see how that skews the data, right? Sure “it’s all men” if you don’t count the women, why would that surprise anyone?

Bro they’ve been here the whole time, they’re just apologizing for woman perpetrators of male victims because it’s “only 4%” so who gives a shit about male victims, lump them in with the perpetrators.

Most men never report, or if they do it’s ignored. I’ve only told one person irl about the 2x it’s happened to me (both times I was forced by women btw, how’s that for “it’s always men” hmm?)

MAYBE if whenever we claim “it’s all men” or “it’s always men” or some such sentiment “it always devolves into a discussion about how it’s not all men,” MAYBE it’s time to stop doing that so the conversation can fucking progress? Nah let’s keep up the tribalism, it’s more fun to sow division than actually work on the issue at hand. Ffs.