Lol certainly don’t mention that Bill Clinton was on that plane either, or else you’ll see the Lemmy version of the literal same effect, even though neither that man nor his wife are running for office and criticizing them is valid and protected speech. I am currently being told in another thread that Clinton’s abuse of power and thus sexual abuse of Monica Lewinsky is “just as bad” as the consensual cheating relationship Newt engaged in at the time. Even though no, one involved abuse of power and one didn’t.
No one in this country is willing to be honest or have a backbone. It’s pathetic. How about we don’t stump for rapists at all, no matter their political affiliation.
I know that conservatives like to go “if you go after trump for being a pedophile, then what about Clinton?”
And EVERY SINGLE LEFTY goes “okay”.
Like, what a bizarre world where one side of the isle ignores pedophilia if it’s their idol doing it, and the other has a blanket “no pedophile” policy.
Who do you think is leftwing? Democrats? Like status quo Dems? Like the 2016 presidential candidate Hilary Clinton, who is STILL MARRIED to Bill Clinton? The Clinton’s who funded the DNC in 2016 in exchange for explicit support by the party during the primary? This is something ALL lefties are comfortable acknowledging and talking about and we definitely want “girls girl” Hilary Clinton to be in office as a rapist apologist?
Like exactly WHO on the left is bringing up these topics when saying how unacceptable the Clinton’s are in tbe party? What established politician? Or is it journalists and actual leftists and progressives?
That’s like saying establishment Dems care about Citizens United, or stopping officials from holding stocks, or the Panama Papers. It’s the wealthy versus the people and always has been.
Bill Clinton absolutely should be investigated and by no means should he be president again after that information came out. He also happens to be ineligible for life because of having held two terms, but I and many democratic voters would prefer to hear that he’s being investigated.
The difference between him and trump though, is trump is running for president.
We can call out Trump’s crimes without ignoring everyone else’s. It absolutely disgusts me to read the interference ya’ll are running for literal rapists. And that you think it’s acceptable because “Trump is running for office,” is insane. No.
Trump is running for president, yeah, but Clinton was actually the president when this happened. The court cases are literally ongoing.
I’m saying we, the voters, should be focused on the one who’s running for president when tomorrow is Election Day. We can go after bill on Thursday. On Thursday I won’t mind people screaming about bill’s crimes so long as it’s not calls to prosecute unrelated democrats.
And I should add, both of these people were President.
Cool, but when you dismiss or ignore these very real concerns instead of just using verbiage that acknowledges and accepts it, then you lose voters because they perceive you as a liar.
And I meant that Bill was president while on the plane.
And when you say anything bad about a democrat on the first Monday of November in a leap year when the stakes are this damn high you’re going to be perceived as engaging in whataboutism.
I don’t want to defend bill Clinton. To be honest, I hate the man. He’s a pedo or at least was ok with it. He sexually violated Ms. Lewinsky from a position of power. And he’s been the easy target against the only political party that believes I deserve to be treated decently. Both of those men have engaged in sex crimes. And neither is likely to go to prison for them. This is a hard situation to argue around. So yeah, maybe we both could’ve articulated better from the start.
Ahhh…the “Look…CLINTON” defense…I haven’t heard that one in a couple months. Yes…Bill was a dipshit womanizer, he also hasn’t been relevant in a decade.
Yeah I think Clinton’s current victims actually find these crimes quite relevant today.
Diddy hasn’t really been relevant in a decade, neither was Cosby, should we just ignore them too? Video of Cassie being beaten was forever ago, who cares? Cassie doesn’t need justice, right? The American public don’t deserve to know what’s been going on either, which btw is tbe entire moral basis for journalism and the idea of integrity.
Maybe if you were victim centered with crimes, you could see why it’s concerning there are so many horrible rapists in politics.
And I voted for Kamala. I actually think as a woman and a prosecutor who was exposed to these crimes, she is a great candidate for office with a lot of potential.
Well, there are things called upvotes and downvotes. So yes I, as an individual, have that opinion. But Greater Lemmy downvoted me and didn’t upvote me, so clearly the sentiment on Lemmy as a group is that Bill Clinton’s Epstein trips and sexual assaults are cool but Trump’s aren’t.
I have already explicitly told you I believe it because Lemmy is full of men who have no problem with rape, which is pretty fucking common.
Like your position is laughable - I’m unhappy as a woman regarding rape conversations, and I’m only getting downvoted because I’m not “smiling” enough in my comments. I’m sorry I have a bad attitude about rapists. I should really be nicer to them like you.
Lemmy is full of men who have no problem with rape, which is pretty fucking common.
That right there, that’s why you get my down-lemm. It’s a negative, sweeping generalization against the very platform you’re on and is sexist. I don’t feel it meaningfully contributes to the discussion.
I have already explicitly told you I believe it because Lemmy is full of men who have no problem with rape, which is pretty fucking common.
Like your position is laughable - I’m unhappy as a woman regarding rape conversations, and I’m only getting downvoted because I’m not “smiling” enough in my comments. I’m sorry I have a bad attitude about rapists. I should really be nicer to them like you.
You’re getting downvoted because of your accusations which are batshit crazy, not because people disagree with you. Liberals don’t give a shit about what happens to Bill Clinton, progressives want him locked up and tankies want to execute him. No one is defending Bill Clinton here.
What people are saying is that there’s an election nearing its end, and the fate of Bill Clinton is right now completely irrelevant to this election, unlike Trump’s fate, because Trump is a man who is one of the two candidates, and Clinton isn’t.
If you then keep pointing out the existence of Bill Clinton multiple times, no one even understands what you’re arguing for. You want to persecute Bill? Okay, sounds good. How is this relevant to this election?
Lol certainly don’t mention that Bill Clinton was on that plane either, or else you’ll see the Lemmy version of the literal same effect, even though neither that man nor his wife are running for office and criticizing them is valid and protected speech. I am currently being told in another thread that Clinton’s abuse of power and thus sexual abuse of Monica Lewinsky is “just as bad” as the consensual cheating relationship Newt engaged in at the time. Even though no, one involved abuse of power and one didn’t.
No one in this country is willing to be honest or have a backbone. It’s pathetic. How about we don’t stump for rapists at all, no matter their political affiliation.
I know that conservatives like to go “if you go after trump for being a pedophile, then what about Clinton?”
And EVERY SINGLE LEFTY goes “okay”.
Like, what a bizarre world where one side of the isle ignores pedophilia if it’s their idol doing it, and the other has a blanket “no pedophile” policy.
Who do you think is leftwing? Democrats? Like status quo Dems? Like the 2016 presidential candidate Hilary Clinton, who is STILL MARRIED to Bill Clinton? The Clinton’s who funded the DNC in 2016 in exchange for explicit support by the party during the primary? This is something ALL lefties are comfortable acknowledging and talking about and we definitely want “girls girl” Hilary Clinton to be in office as a rapist apologist?
Like exactly WHO on the left is bringing up these topics when saying how unacceptable the Clinton’s are in tbe party? What established politician? Or is it journalists and actual leftists and progressives?
That’s like saying establishment Dems care about Citizens United, or stopping officials from holding stocks, or the Panama Papers. It’s the wealthy versus the people and always has been.
If some criminal indictments came out against trump for being a pedophile, the right wing will go NUTS. “It’s a witch hunt!”.
If Clinton gets indicted for his pedophilia, lefties go “yeah good, about time”.
You see the difference right? One’s a cult, the other is normal?
Bill Clinton absolutely should be investigated and by no means should he be president again after that information came out. He also happens to be ineligible for life because of having held two terms, but I and many democratic voters would prefer to hear that he’s being investigated.
The difference between him and trump though, is trump is running for president.
We can call out Trump’s crimes without ignoring everyone else’s. It absolutely disgusts me to read the interference ya’ll are running for literal rapists. And that you think it’s acceptable because “Trump is running for office,” is insane. No.
Trump is running for president, yeah, but Clinton was actually the president when this happened. The court cases are literally ongoing.
I’m saying we, the voters, should be focused on the one who’s running for president when tomorrow is Election Day. We can go after bill on Thursday. On Thursday I won’t mind people screaming about bill’s crimes so long as it’s not calls to prosecute unrelated democrats.
And I should add, both of these people were President.
Cool, but when you dismiss or ignore these very real concerns instead of just using verbiage that acknowledges and accepts it, then you lose voters because they perceive you as a liar.
And I meant that Bill was president while on the plane.
And when you say anything bad about a democrat on the first Monday of November in a leap year when the stakes are this damn high you’re going to be perceived as engaging in whataboutism.
I don’t want to defend bill Clinton. To be honest, I hate the man. He’s a pedo or at least was ok with it. He sexually violated Ms. Lewinsky from a position of power. And he’s been the easy target against the only political party that believes I deserve to be treated decently. Both of those men have engaged in sex crimes. And neither is likely to go to prison for them. This is a hard situation to argue around. So yeah, maybe we both could’ve articulated better from the start.
Ahhh…the “Look…CLINTON” defense…I haven’t heard that one in a couple months. Yes…Bill was a dipshit womanizer, he also hasn’t been relevant in a decade.
Yeah I think Clinton’s current victims actually find these crimes quite relevant today.
Diddy hasn’t really been relevant in a decade, neither was Cosby, should we just ignore them too? Video of Cassie being beaten was forever ago, who cares? Cassie doesn’t need justice, right? The American public don’t deserve to know what’s been going on either, which btw is tbe entire moral basis for journalism and the idea of integrity.
Maybe if you were victim centered with crimes, you could see why it’s concerning there are so many horrible rapists in politics.
And I voted for Kamala. I actually think as a woman and a prosecutor who was exposed to these crimes, she is a great candidate for office with a lot of potential.
They are not relevant to the election…unless we are talking about how Trump is complicit in them.
Objection: Relevance.
Sustained: deat cat.
? You don’t see how it’s relevant to current victims and current politics?
Idk what you’re saying about the “Lemmy version” given that you’re entirely free to do so - in fact, you just did do so
Well, there are things called upvotes and downvotes. So yes I, as an individual, have that opinion. But Greater Lemmy downvoted me and didn’t upvote me, so clearly the sentiment on Lemmy as a group is that Bill Clinton’s Epstein trips and sexual assaults are cool but Trump’s aren’t.
Elsewhere in this same comment section:
That comment got 42 upvotes and 0 downvotes. I assume your downvotes have more to do with:
Lol quote the rest of that comment or link it because I don’t see it
https://discuss.online/comment/11989097
Or maybe you get downvoted for your general “woe is me”, “all of Lemmy is bad” attitude…
I have already explicitly told you I believe it because Lemmy is full of men who have no problem with rape, which is pretty fucking common.
Like your position is laughable - I’m unhappy as a woman regarding rape conversations, and I’m only getting downvoted because I’m not “smiling” enough in my comments. I’m sorry I have a bad attitude about rapists. I should really be nicer to them like you.
That right there, that’s why you get my down-lemm. It’s a negative, sweeping generalization against the very platform you’re on and is sexist. I don’t feel it meaningfully contributes to the discussion.
You’re getting downvoted because of your accusations which are batshit crazy, not because people disagree with you. Liberals don’t give a shit about what happens to Bill Clinton, progressives want him locked up and tankies want to execute him. No one is defending Bill Clinton here.
What people are saying is that there’s an election nearing its end, and the fate of Bill Clinton is right now completely irrelevant to this election, unlike Trump’s fate, because Trump is a man who is one of the two candidates, and Clinton isn’t.
If you then keep pointing out the existence of Bill Clinton multiple times, no one even understands what you’re arguing for. You want to persecute Bill? Okay, sounds good. How is this relevant to this election?