Someone should ask Trump if he is successful with this and deporting permanent residents for being against the government, what would stop the next president from deporting Baron Trump?
This is a pathway to Starship Trooper’s soldiers being guaranteed citizenship. Imagine having a child here and they aren’t a citizen but you are.
The whole MAGA movement can be described as people who did not get the point in Starship Troopers.
Maybe they read the book instead of watching the movie?
They can read?
Imagine?? Lol
If that were the case we wouldn’t be in this mess!
It’s not guaranteed, but service does help get citizenship: https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service
Jus soli (birthright citizenship based on where you are born) is not that common to be fair. I don’t think it’s the standard in Europe for example. You have to reside (legally) in a country for a certain number of years AND pay taxes for them to be eligible to get citinzenship
it’s very common in colonial societies like most of the Americas. without this type of law there wouldn’t be any American citizens. even before the 14th amendment we had birth right citizenship by common law precedence
In other words, birthright citizenship exists to increase the population size.
pretty much. we all grew up in the US being taught it’s a country of immigrants and the “bring me your weary your hungry your whatever masses to be free”
it’s actually kind of fascinating to see that ideology shift so fast it’s giving whiplash. turns out we actually kinda need these people for our economy otherwise we’ll end up like European countries with stagnating economies until we eventually get overrun by China
It’s never been our ideology in practice.
In reality it’s been, “Send us your weary your hungry masses to be worked to death and treated like lesser beings.”
I don’t really care how common it is?
Right especially because its cut and dry in the constitution. Don’t like it get a 2/3 majority to agree!
That sounds like just another method of exploitation. No dig at any specific countries. I just know in the US this will be used to exploit, isolate, and entrap people.
Here’s a map of birthright vs inherited citizenship. As you can see, most of the Americas have birthright citizenship.
They’ll give it to him.
I made this prediction back when he started saying he wanted to remove birth right citizenship. It’s just a matter of time
Trump takes birthright citizenship battle to his Supreme Court
FTFY
- Do illegal shit
- Have county try and stop illegal shit
- Have state try and stop illegal shit
- Have district try and stop illegal shit
- ???
- Profit
Wait, I finally figured it out. In order to profit you just use the supreme court.
I’m really curious as to what half asses reason the SCROTUS will give to let Krasnov get away with this.
Headline is a tad ambitious. This action is procedural in nature and does not / will not address the merits of the case. The Trump admin is asking the Supreme Court to strike down the three national injunctions and limit the scope of the birthright orders to only apply to citizens in the states where it was granted.
the Trump administration says
“Universal injunctions have reached epidemic proportions since the start of the current administration,” the filing says. “Those universal injunctions prohibit a Day 1 Executive Order from being enforced anywhere in the country, as to ‘hundreds of thousands’ of unspecified individuals who are ‘not before the court nor identified by the court.’”
While totally ignoring the fact that reason why there are so many injunctions is Trump keeps ignoring laws and the Constitution. An immediate injunction is entirely appropriate in that case.
Besides, it’s not like the lower court judge issues the injunction and that’s the end of the story. There is still litigation, and everything can get appealed. Limiting the scope of those injunctions will only serve to have Trump selectively ignore the Constitution for states what like what he is doing, which is not how it’s supposed to work at all.
Well yea, that’s exactly what he’s after: Small parts of the country, mainly Federal Circuits that aren’t perceived to be “friendly” will have injunctions while those that grab their ankles for Trump and give him whatever he wants (i.e. the 5th) don’t do an injunction and the states are free to not grant citizenship at will.
Conservatives relied on these national injunctions during the Biden admin just the way liberal groups are now. It’s dangerous to prognosticate with this Supreme Court but nationalwide injunctions have their purpose and I don’t see this changing.
It should also be pointed out that Roberts has expressed dismay already with forum shopping. In 2023(?) he tried to pressure the Northern District of Texas to change its venue rules so parties couldn’t just keep filing in Amarillo. The presiding judge of the ND declined. So this has been an issue on Roberts’s radar for awhile. That may lead to some unforseen changes.
Here before 6-3 to get fucked
Yes we need to make it so our glorious leader decides who is a citizen.
Birthright citizenship is a law made at a time when the American population was significantly smaller and wanted to grow to be able to provide more workforce to bring about progress, which benefitted everyone. Now, progress is ending/slowing down, and demand for human labor is declining; and a shrinking population is a good thing because it matches that shrinking demand for labor. Immigration is a bad thing because it increases the population size instead of decreasing it. And also, the birthrate should drop lower to reduce the supply of workforce, keep up wages (via supply-demand of labor) and better the living conditions of the people.
hey Gemini: Is this remark on the idea of removing birthright citizenship in the USA reasonable? If so why? If not why?
The remark presents a perspective on birthright citizenship that is not widely accepted by economists or demographers, and it contains several flawed assumptions and arguments. Here’s a breakdown: Points of Contention:
- Historical Context:
- While it’s true the 14th Amendment, which established birthright citizenship, was ratified after the Civil War, its primary purpose was to grant citizenship to formerly enslaved people and ensure their equal protection under the law. It wasn’t solely about increasing the population for economic growth.
- The idea that the US population was “significantly smaller and wanted to grow” is too simplistic. Population growth has always been a complex issue, influenced by various social, economic, and political factors.
- “Progress is ending/slowing down”:
- The claim that “progress is ending/slowing down” is subjective and debatable. While some sectors may experience slowdowns, others, like technology, continue to advance. Economic cycles also have periods of growth and slowdown.
- Economic growth is not ending.
- “Demand for human labor is declining”:
- While automation and technological advancements are changing the nature of work, they are not necessarily eliminating the overall demand for human labor. They are shifting the demand towards different skill sets.
- There is still a very large demand for human labor, but the type of labor demanded is shifting.
- “A shrinking population is a good thing”:
- A shrinking population can have severe economic consequences, including:
- A smaller workforce, leading to labor shortages.
- A reduced tax base, making it harder to fund social programs.
- Slower economic growth.
- An aging population, which puts strains on social security and healthcare systems.
- The concept that a shrinking population is universally “good” is not supported by mainstream economic thought.
- A shrinking population can have severe economic consequences, including:
- “Immigration is a bad thing”:
- Immigration has historically played a vital role in the US economy, providing a source of labor, innovation, and entrepreneurship.
- Immigrants often fill labor shortages in key sectors and contribute to economic growth.
- Immigration is a very complex issue, and to state that it is a bad thing is a gross over simplification.
- “Birthrate should drop lower to reduce the supply of workforce, keep up wages”:
- While it’s true that a tighter labor market can lead to higher wages, artificially suppressing the birthrate has long-term negative consequences, as mentioned earlier.
- Relying solely on a declining birthrate to manage wage levels is an unsustainable and ethically questionable approach.
- A declining birthrate can have major negative impacts on social security systems. In summary: The remark presents a simplistic and flawed view of economics, demographics, and history. It relies on generalizations and ignores the complex interplay of factors that influence population, labor markets, and economic growth.
- Historical Context:
It was made at a time when the victors of the civil war realized that racist loosers would try to deny citizenship to former slaves.
It’s the 14th Amendment. If SCOTUS tries to find some bullshit reason it doesn’t mean what it clearly says, then we can freely ignore anything they say.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
