Imagine running from censorship and going to Lemmy.ml lmao
Technically correct, but I wonder how people are gonna handle the really serious dictator shit, like friends and relatives disappearing instead of tweets.
I love it, but I fear for the day Lemmy becomes so popular that it is worthwhile for the corporate bots to begin gaming Lemmy’s algorithm to dominate front pages. I don’t think Lemmy is prepared to defend against this.
I am still new to the fediverse but I figured that smaller constellations will federate without connecting to the largest federation.
It’s harder to manipulate 500 disjoint federations than 1 really large one. Especially when some of those federations rely on heavy verification.
Of course those smaller federations are likely organized around specific purposes or organizing interests rather than broad public discourse.
Here’s the thing. A platform is it’s users. 2 years ago Lemmy rocked. Now the Redditors are arriving and it’s turning into a literal Reddit clone. Open the front page 2 years ago and it was all kinds of exciting and novel stuff. Now it’s Trump bad, nazi bad, fascism bad, racism bad, homophobia bad, musk moron, celebrity dead.
edit: Proof received via downvotes. Oldhead Lemmy users know I’m right. Welcome, jackasses, I guess.
Add filters https://lemmy.world/post/24545370
Makes the experience more bearable.
You realize there’s a fascist takeover happening right now, yes? It has nothing to do with redditors and everything to do with current events.
Um.
A bunch of Reddit assholes showing up in response to that idea, somehow nullifies my point???!
here we go bois
So nice that radical activism only requires I switch apps 🥳
Plot twist: it’s a ploy by reddit to get extremists off their platform and on to Lemmy
It’s a plot twist to overload the servers of single instances.
Yeah this thing is worded so strong for what it is
I don’t know how the French are able to rally in real life and put everything on the line to push back fascism. I know I should do something real to fight back, but like, I’ve got a lot going on ya know? Maybe I’ll be rallied by the time atrocities have already happened, but I hope not.
We have unions, a variety of political parties and many organisations who have decades, even a century of experience on how to organise rallyes. The only thing common people have to do it show up. And still, most French won’t go even if they sympathise with the message (I almost never do it).
The main difference being that France is 248,573 mi² (643,801 km2)
The contiguous United States is 3,119,000 mi² (8,080,464.3 km²)
France also has a 3.5x higher population density
Inhabitants/km²
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France: 124.4
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United States: 35.2
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I saw a post on here the other day where someone was complaining that their coworkers “don’t care” about the current political climate and after they elaborated, they were describing people who do care but weren’t actively spearheading a demonstration. I don’t know if they expect them to go stand in traffic or what.
I give monthly donations to nonprofits that I like and email my state representatives when EFF or Fight for the Future tells me to but I’ve also got a life to live. Just stay informed, vote/petition, donate if you can, but live your life. You can only do so much.
im kind of embarrassed by how cringe this is and i really hope they dont represent the fediverse
I, uh, upvoted the post and reversed it.
Fucking sends people to .ml specifically. Whoosh.
I despise the way cringe gets used like this, and I still agree 100% with you
In this moment, I am euphoric…
-Aalewis
Having them pointed towards lemmy.ml is a little concerning.
To be fair, it was apparently posted in r/anarchocommunism, so I’d just chalk it up to knowing your audience. At least it was just .ml, and not grad or hexbear!
We should do a bunch of them with varying non-Tankie instances
Like programming.dev or lemmy.blahaj.zone
Or maybe even better, have a small table at the bottom with their focuses
Yeah. join-lemmy.org unfortunately isn’t great because it often points to random semi dead instances.
Something like,
The instance you join doesn’t matter much — because you can access all content no matter what instance you are on — but it can be nice to be on an instance that shares you interests and values, because you will have to conform to the rules of that instance. Think of it like your clan — it’s like your email being yourname@yourworkplace — you can still email everyone else and see their emails, but it signals something about you, and it has different rules.
Here are a couple options:
General Purpose:
- discuss.online (hosted US)
- lemm.ee
- lemmy.cafe
- sh.itjust.works (hosted Canada)
Interests:
- mander.xyz (Science)
- programming.dev (Programming)
- infosec.pub (Cybersecurity)
- lemmynsfw.com (Porn)
Diversity:
- lemmy.blahaj.zone (LGBTQ+)
Regions/Langauges:
- jlai.lu (French)
- feddit.org (German)
- lemmy.ca (Canada)
- aussie.zone (Australia)
Ideology:
- lemmy.dbzer0.com (Anarchism and Piracy)
- slrpnk.net (Environmentalist Leftists)
- lemmy.ml (Authoritarian Leftists)
Please copypaste my comment and add instances / improve it
I like the idea, but people have said several times that choosing an instance is a barrier for them.
I usually go with
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
I mean, why not go totally targeted? If there are people here who still have reddit accounts then tailor the graphic for the sub you post in. If its an lgbtqia+ sub, suggest Blahaj, if its a tech sub suggest programming.dev, if its a piracy or data hoarder sub db0 etc etc.
Yeah I think I elaborated too much. Let’s just keep recommending small instances — because the current centralisation on world sucks.
I’ve been thinking of switching instances.
But I think part of the problem is the domain names on so many instances are so odd. Lemmy.world is very clean and easy to tell someone verbally, as opposed to say sopudi.xvz or dbzer0 or blahaj.zone.
I suppose “discuss.online” isn’t such a bad name. And “midwest.social” but people who are not in the Midwest might not feel like they identify with that geographically.
lemmy.cafe, lemmy.zip, lemmy.one
Didn’t even mention mine. For a brand new user, they don’t know what the fuck is going on there.
Lemmy.world is also the most reliable and the smoothest experience.
I strongly have the opposite opinion. Let people start on Lemmy.World and once they have experience (like you), they can move to where they want.
They’re an actual non-profit org out of the Netherlands with professional hosting.
Federation is a feature like divorce is a feature. It’s extremely important that it exists and is accessible. Not everybody needs to do it. Other servers are a fine option if you know what you’re doing and are willing to deal with more issues OR if there’s a compelling reason (such as the various regional servers).
When federation between lemm.ee and lemmy.world is behind by an hour or two, where do you think users will have a better experience? When 90% of their content is now a couple hours older, that’s a worse experience.
And spreading people out doesn’t really fix anything. It just puts more stress on federation technology. If you spread out all the users, Federation becomes a much harder to manage many to many relationship between all the servers, instead of primarily being a one to many relationship.
In short, if you spread out the users equally, suddenly every instance begins to have federation issues with each other, and everyone has a worse experience. With a bigger “main” instance, the majority of users are less affected by federation issues, and the issues are less common.
The regional servers have more of a balance here. 90% of their content may be old, but the 10% they are up to date with are the things closest to them, most important to them, and maybe in their language.
I do appreciate having several general use instances. I just don’t want to send newbies there who will generalize their experience to all of Lemmy and the Fediverse.
I think I have seen your posts on reddit before haha
Oh definitely !
But it’s not true that your instance doesn’t matter and you can see everything no matter your instance…
Capitalism destroyed our government, captured our constitution, and is literally ending the world (for humans, don’t worry it’ll be fine in a few million years and it’ll be like we never existed, thank goodness for that).
I find comedy in people likely here due to the greed rot of Spez wanting to go public and now fondling billionaire balls still, here on Lemmy like digital refugees in the wake of capitalism breaking promises to and destroying a community to increase private profit, going “ewww commies and socialists.”
Credit where it’s due, the capitalist’s Orwell game is God tier.
.ml would be worse than Reddit if they had the same number of users.
No, we are going “ewww tankies”
I mean they are annoying
More than a little concerning, it’s happened plenty of times before. People see that BS on the Tankie Triad and then leave thinking Lemmy is just a bunch of tankies
Sometimes they try another non-Tankie instance and realize that we’re not all like that, but I’m sure a majority never return always thinking that all of Lemmy is “that Tankie hangout” or worse, a Voat 2.0
Whatever, infighting gets us nowhere , down with the big bad
I’m not very into Lemmy, what’s so bad about lemmy.ml?
They’re part of the Tankie Triad who deny the human rights violations of the CCP and hold them up as the gold standard.
Basically Authoritarian bootlickers pretending to not be authoritarians
It’s controversial. It was created by the creators of Lemmy and has some techbro feelings about a lot of stuff. I’m not trying to start an .ml fight, I’m against pushing for any particular instance.
I would recommend new users to stay away from the biggest ones and steer towards one level down. You want enough communities and instances to line your front page, but the big ones are big enough. Let’s spread the load.
I don’t think you need any communities to line your front page until you get subscriptions going. I think going a level down from the biggest ones is still too big and will still lead to giant instances as they inevitably grow over time. Same with putting practically all the communities on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml.
That’s concentrating a lot of people and content in a handful of places, and slightly-less-centralized is still effectively centralized. No instance admins should have that much power.
I was referencing to when I signed up for Lemmy. I really missed the front page of r/ and was looking for that. I didn’t realize that the default would be so dead and also, I was on a really small instance, so the page was suuuuper dead since nothing was referenced yet. People can switch to smaller, but we don’t want to overwhelm them or make it look way worse populated than it is. I get your concern, but that’s why I recommend it to be mid level. You may not care if your front page is dead, but the newbies do.
I get that. I think it is therefore incumbent upon us and the people running instances to inform new users how to do this new thing.
I’m not saying your way is wrong, just that I think inertia will ultimately win out over ideology.
Anyway, have a lovely day!
It took a few times for me to cross over because it was completely new to me. I guess that might not be the case for every crossover. You have a lovely day too.
No matter what advice you give people, they’re still basically going to do what they want. Many will prefer to join larger servers, and some will always prefer smaller ones.
Honestly I think we should worry way less about this, because Lemmy is FOSS and we have enough solid instances already. People will naturally find their way and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave. We don’t need to try to orchestrate and fine tune what instances people use. Let them do what they want, and trust that the decentralized and redundant federated structure will function as intended.
It should only come into play if large instances actually can’t keep up with their userbase growth from a technological standpoint. But again that problem solves itself because they can just close sign ups.
and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave.
Will they though? I’ve seen people wanting to leave the bigger ones and don’t know how to transfer all of their subs and stuff.
There are already tools for that, and it will probably get easier with time. In general, people should be encouraged to create multiple accounts on different servers from the beginning, so they already have built in options if they want to leave.
I use different sorting algorithms on my different accounts and also have different subscriptions, so the front page often looks totally different when I sign into my alts. Some of them are even federated with hexbear 🫣. I always find interesting posts that I missed by doing that.
There are already tools for that,
What tools and where can I find them?
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. A lot of people have no clue how the Fediverse works, and so they see that an instance is big and maybe has the name Lemmy in it, and they think that that’s going to be the one to give them the best experience.
Letting people know that they can get basically the same experience without having to go with the big ones is something I think everybody should know, since it’s such a foreign concept to centralized social media. They have choice in the matter.
And if they want to stick with the big ones, because they like some aspect, then they’ve at least been made aware of what their options are. People should be able to make informed decisions.
Finding an instance that fits you is also significantly more difficult than even mastodon too.
It’s a tankie instance. “ML” as in Marxism-Leninism.
and in practice they are more MLM (maoism) or MLS (stalinism).
Yeah if they were run of the mill Marxists it’d be one thing, but it’s an authoritarian mess
And here I was thinking it was just a cheap ccTLD to use.
I think that’s TLD for Malaysia?
That’s what I thought until I looked it up recently! .my is Malaysia, .ml is Mali.
If only :(
We read and comprehend the Communist Manifesto with some level of agreement and usually quite a bit more. But it’s mostly privacy focused. Full disclosure: vegan anarchist.
It’s mostly Tankie focused, Tiananmen square massacre happened, and the CCP and Russia are Authoritarian dictatorships
I don’t understand how you could possibly think this. Literally any discussion of China, even non-political that does not conform to the admins beliefs results in an immediate instance-wide ban. It is one of the most censored spaces on the internet and absolutely not safe for anarchist ideas.
My account is 3 years old and have talked about anarchist ideas with them in the past and haven’t been banned. Don’t know what to tell you hoss
Who cares, just get them onboarded and we can deal with orientation later
Because they’ll onboard see the Tankie bullshit and go “oh it’s just Voat 2.0 :/” and leave before ever making it to orientation
I think you’re overestimating the repulsion/ attraction of the tankies. Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian socialism (i assume)
Not really. I mean they do discuss other topics but the ideology flows through everything there.
Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian
Not really, back in the day yea, but over the past year as other comm’s have grown on other instances their influence has been waning and all that’s left is the Tankie ideology
Programming.dev has taken over for FOSS and programming topics in general, other instances are taking over memes, and I’m even seeing more and more non-.ml privacy subs rise
If you look at MAUs, even the .ml memes comm (once THE most popular comm) doesn’t crack the top 10 anymore. Not a single .ml comm does
ITT: reddit 2.0 normies (read .world) crying about .ml again
Yeah, us “normies” prefer to go to places that don’t ban you for not passing their purity test.
Oh, for fucks sake.
i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy. the internet was a lot cooler before it was run by billionaires and ass kissers who are intimidated by billionaires.
fuck em all
Excellent. Every long term power redditor exiting is a good blow to reddit. They’re left with all the lurkers who just want to consume content so they’ll have to rely more and more on ai slop until people realize it’s all fake.
i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy.
Welcome!
Here’s your welcome-possum:
I thought we do welcome beans?
My account is 14 years old, and I’m almost to the my line where I’m going to torch it. The censorship is getting bad!
I do miss the Reddit from 10-14 years ago. So sad that it’s gone. It was truly amazing.
Well you’re in a good spot. Lemmy is like reddit 14 years ago 😅
You kept your account for 14 years? I always deleted my accounts after some time. Longest one was for almost 3 years I think.
Mine is 16 yo by now I think. I don’t delete it as it’s historical enough not to get auto banned when doing agitation for lemmy over there.
I found all the automated tools don’t work anymore. It took me 3 hours to manually delete all my content before I i deleted my account. Good luck.
Oh damn, shreddit doesn’t work any longer?
You can also keep your account to talk about Lemmy
That’s the trick. Historical accounts are valuable to avoid automated bans when posting lemmy links.
Welcome!
When you’ve settled in, consider joining a smaller instance! Just because it has “Lemmy” in the name doesn’t mean it’s official or good. We all federate together, so you can still join communities hosted on other instances.
thank you! still wrapping my head around the “instances” thing but i think i’m starting to get it
I’ve been here a while, and don’t have any desire to check out other instances. I just know that if Lemmy.world goes under, or its management starts fucking around, there are plenty of places I can go.
Leaving Reddit was not as simple.
Different geocities neighborhoods
Welcome!
The web UI is accessible on any device and there are plenty of apps as well such as Sync and Voyager.
Jerboa has treated me well. I tried others but Jerboa is similar to Baconreader which is what I used in the olden times
Fellow baconreader refugee here. I use Jeboa and Eternity alternatingly. They were both good and I was never able to choose. baconreader was a great tool for research into other peoples experiences, knowledge, and opinions. Also the memes etc. I’m glad threaded convos live on via Lemmy.
Welcome!
Welcome, glad you could make it! I hope you find this to be a cool place.
For best results, subscribe to communities you want to have a dedicated feed for, and block communities, instances and users that aren’t worth your time, since there is the occasional jerk like you might find anywhere on the internet.
since there is the occasional jerk like you
Hey!
might find anywhere on the internet.
Oh.
I’m going to repeat what I’ve been saying a lot lately. The default is “active.” If that gets boring (it probably will), switch to “hot,” “new,” and “top 6 hours” to get a more vibrant experience. The search engine is confusing at first, but is pretty good.
Welcome to the fight soldier.
ignore the piles of beans.
Currently shitty egg memes I believe.
shitty
I’ll check back in 3 days then
They should really include the no ads thing. I think it’s a great selling point, and it would be useful to leverage.
While this is true some instances do need donations it’s very probable that some instances could include ads in the future.
Totally fair, but at the moment, there are none. And even if instances will start using 3rd party ads, there will also be instances that will never run ads. The power of federation at work.
While I agree with the message, that the people should leave all centralized Social Media services, the big mistake here is concentrating a massive user-base on one instance (.ml) of one specific service (Lemmy) instead of spreading the influx towards many smaller, but still solid instances and federated services (PieFed, Mastodon, MBin).
Even disregarding .ml’s reputation, if this post does reach a substantial user-base, the only thing happening then is .ml receiving a HoD and people losing faith in the Fediverse as a whole (e: spelling) due to this, sadly. :c
Edit different versions for different instances
Surprised it wasn’t banned quickly
I saw it being denounced as a psyop which I thought was funny, since I think it pretty clearly isn’t one. But directing people to lemmy.ml is bad advice as most of us know.
When I first heard of Lemmy, I curiously poked around, and at the time it was just lemmygrad and ml. Needless to say I backed out quickly. Glad it got some diversity with the api kerfuffle.
