Having tried all three, its a stark difference in how much more social Lemmy is comparatively. Its not even close. Almost all posts I’ve encountered on lemmy have interaction; whereas, more often than not, posts on the other two platforms have no interaction. Wonder what the driving factor is behind this difference?
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shit posters keeping lemmy/mbin alive.
Doesn’t mbin federate with Mastodon? I’ve been thinking about moving to an mbin server for that reason…
it can but that depends on your server but I can tell you that implementation is rough, but the bones are there.
shop around mbin servers!
Well Mastadon is good for screaming into the void and hope someone shouts back. Lemmy is kind of like a forum type community where you already know someone is going to like your topic if it’s in the right sub.
Well Mastadon is good for screaming into the void and hope someone shouts back.
It’s good for small hobbyist communities that get built up from IRL spaces or broader online collaborations. If I’ve got a school group or hobbyist club and I want a bespoke “members only” social media space, Mastadon works great. Like Discord without all the obnoxious pop-in “Would you like to give us $40/mo for glittery icons?!” nitro ads.
Lemmy is kind of like a forum type community where you already know someone is going to
like your topic if it’s in the right subcall you an idiot for doing things a different way and throwing up a bunch of dumb memes in your technical sub.Reddit-brain is all over Lemmy. This is a far cry from the technical focused communities you’ll find on Github or StackExchange.
[…] call you an idiot for doing things a different way […]
Reddit-brain is all over Lemmy. This is a far cry from the technical focused communities you’ll find on Github or StackExchange.
Have you used StackExchange? It’s very much “call you an idiot for doing things in a different way.”
The fuck is Nostr? I can’t keep up.
Nostr is another fediverse like social media platform that the founder of bluesky created after he realized he had made another mistake like he did in creating twitter.
I know, right? It was very hard for me to grasp the Fediverse when i first heard about it. Now, it seems the protocol is being tapped into from a few different directions, so these new platforms may just be starting to make an appearance.
I left reddit for lemmy on the big migration but I though it wouldn’t last. Here I am years after. I enjoy lemmy a lot more than I ever did Reddit.
One thing I’ve found on lemmy that was almost impossible to see on reddit…
People apologizing for being incorrect. Also, people having actual conversations, without the immediate influx of “No, YOURE WORNG!” people.
I think it helps that Lemmy is so small, we know we’re going to encounter each other again.
I hope it remains so! Its a big reason why I’m really keen on instance defederating, and such. Make the “island chains” just a touch disconnected, to keep monkey sphere’s small.
I came here in the Reddit migration too, right after the API thing. I like that this place is still small - it has the community feeling that you only saw in Reddit in small, focused subs
Lemmy is discussion focused, the bulk of content is the comments guided by posts. Mastadon/nostr are about microblogging, the posts are the focus of content, not the comments.
you are missing out. Which is much worse than just being wrong.
The focus of mastodon is on the people, not the comments.
Deeply care about the other person and then you’ll be interacting with someone you admire
The comments are topics they find interesting and want to share.
With coders, when they post something, is usually mostly signal.
Has anyone else never even heard of nostr
nostr is yet another twitter, but for “anti censorship” folk, such as cryptobros and “freeze peach absolutists”. Also has some crypto integration that lets it have shops and even a tiktok video thingy.
Huh. My experience with Nostr is essentially similar with fediverse. As it was decentralized, everything is depends on each instance and which kind of people you follow.
Not everyone on Nostr are everything you just said. Some people are literally using it the same way as Mastodon. Just making friend and talking about random hobbies.
Yes, and its activitypub bridge Mostr.
Never heard of Mostr either icl
I have, but pretty much have figured out its for crypto bros who don’t want people telling them not to shill their crypto shit, or fucking fascists who don’t like people being able to just… turn them off, for being fascists.
There is no block feature? What the hell.
Why are you comparing apples to glass bowls?
Lemmy is a reddit clone, where you create communities.
Mastodon is a Twitter clone, where you share what you ate last night or what political meme you like today while sharing photos of moss and/or windows.
Nostr is its own thing.You can’t really compare them with each other.
Yeah, I get your point. But the question still remains. Lemmy objectively has more engagement/interaction regardless of the category of social media of each medium.
If you compare X to Lemmy, X has more engagement/interaction… And they are separate social media platforms categorically. Yet, Mastodon trumps Lemmy’s user count by nearly 10 fold…
It stands to question that with a fraction of the users on Lemmy, why is the interaction/engagement considerably higher?
An average post on Mastodon/X/Bluesky/Threads is “this is what I encounter” or “this is what I believe”. Those kinds of posts don’t specifically ask for a response. You can respond to it, but it doesn’t require one.
That’s not how you communicate on Lemmy or Reddit.
That’s the difference.
Each platform has its own usages.
So to compare and say “well platform Y is more social, because there’s more interaction than on platform 2” is a bit weird.
You wouldn’t compare a letter with a message board on a town plaza either. Both can be used to communicate, but they’re not comparable to each other.
Or in another way:
On Mastodon or Nostr, when you post something only a small subsection of the userbase actually sees it (only those who follow you, those that follow any of the hashtags that you used, or those that check the full firehose).
On Lemmy the entire community you posted it to can see your post.
Obviously you can get more response on Lemmy! More people get to see it.It stands to question that with a fraction of the users on Lemmy, why is the interaction/engagement considerably higher?
I think the answer is fairly clear. Lemmy’s topics & votes system funnels condenses the user-base to focus on particular things at particular times. The total number of users may be smaller than Mastodon, but basically everyone on lemmy is looking at the top posts on the front page first, and then exploring to other stuff later; whereas on Mastodon everyone is just doing their own thing.
Focusing people on one topic means that there will be discussion at that topic at that time; and discussion leads to people checking back to read and reply to responses…
I routinely use both Mastodon and Lemmy. I see a lot more varied content on Mastodon, but it is more fleeting. i.e. very little discussion, and fairly short window of interaction with posts. Lemmy has a lot less ‘stuff’, but a lot more conversation.
I think the difference is interesting, but it definitely isn’t something we should use to say which platform is doing better or anything like that.
Twitter have big interaction because user count is extremely high. For a microblogging platform maybe it requires that it needs lots of users and some “creators” who are followed by thousands of people, unlike communities which anyone can post and everyone joined the community can see.
I also think upvotes and downvotes plays a role too since mastodon does not have them(only boosts but boost actually shares with your own followers which might be very low)
It stands to question that with a fraction of the users on Lemmy, why is the interaction/engagement considerably higher?
mastodon is another “general interest” social media hub along the same vein of reddit or bluesky or .world or .ee, which means that (excluding its founding group) it takes many forms of long term investments to gain sufficient traction enough to establish a core group of active users (assuming that it ever succeeds at doing so at all) and that core group is a small fraction of its user base (presuming that a reddit post i saw years ago showing that a tiny fraction of users on social media are responsible for a vastly disproportionate amount of content on all platforms is true).
lemmy’s political origins pre-included the identities and accompanying pre-built core groups that had already start coalescing in other social media platforms like reddit & tiktok. by the time of the reddit blackout protests those groups already had new online safe spaces in various lemmy instances and their ranks swelled at the same time other reddit users started to fill the ranks of other “general interest” instances like .world and later .ee
that link you posted on lemmy user counts reflects the “general interest” instance’s difficulties of retaining a core group of active users that disproportionately create the most content. it’s around this content is where you will find the interaction/engagement that characterizes lemmy’s considerably higher engagement; instead of the news & link sharing lower interaction/engagement that characterizes the “general interest” instances.
right now; the “general interest” instances have a relatively handful of VERY prolific users expending a clearly excessive amount of time and effort at creating a sea of inactive communities & instances in the hopes that it might eventually serve as a basis for a “general interest” core group and i hope that they succeed; i think that the lemmyverse would be better with politically moderate points of view and i’m sure that the “general interest” instances won’t lose all of their users to bluesky, threads, nostr, etc. by then.
So what is Nostr?
Mastodon right now is essentially macroblog and/or microblog. Entirely designer for different purpose than Lemmy.
Any group-based social media will have higher possibility of interaction due to easier way to find similar interest, whether Lemmy, Reddit, Facebook Group, Misskey Group, even traditional self-host forum.
Microblog… I just don’t care about other people that much. Specific topics are more engaging and interesting.
i care about other people, specifically coders. They are my rock stars. And that’s who i want to keep in touch with.
On mastodon, if have something up your sleeve others want to have access to you. I get access to certified, cuz whats that, geniuses. They have the repos, source code, and unittests to prove it!
On lemmy, not so much.
Or riddle me this, how to build relationships on lemmy?
You don’t. I head back to Reddit personals for that.
Then to get something out the opportunities the universe is gifting you, all you have to do is turn on that empathy switch and adjust the level up to max.
The issue is all in your head.
You are surrounded by giants, but you don’t notice or care.
Force yourself to care.
Find someone tomorrow and magically decide they are now the most important person in your universe moving forward. And you want to keep in touch with them regularly. And you find what they are up to thrilling.
Then type in this url
This will be enough to fill your entire lifetime and then some.
Sorry, what?
Mastodon & others are microblogging (aka shitposting) platforms, while lemmy lets you ask questions in posts that will persist (not get flooded under a megaton of shitpost, hentai) and get answers.
On mastodon what’s important is who you are (who you know, who you can interact with), on lemmy your post’s content is more important.
On Mastodon, follow and interact with people you admire, not content.
Go to pypi look for packages you admire, find their maintainers, and get chatting with them. Coders make themselves available on mastodon. Not lemmy. Not twitter. Email is passe.
Do a survey. Look up 20 random packages you admire on pypi. What contact info do they provide? These packages must be actively maintained. Otherwise understand if dinosaurs in the past communicated thru mostly hand gestures and grunting.
Published coders are the richest resource of talent in the history of mankind.
Lemmy … asking questions?! Is that it?
There is more to interacting and collaboration than hit and run knowledge sharing.
mastodon is like an oasis in a sea of noise.
Concentrate on the signal, not the noise.
Build relationships with people you care about.
The problem with mastodon might turn out to be having a heart lacking in empathy. Need to be able to care enough to want to be associated with someone you admire.
We live amongst rock stars. How can anyone completely miss that?! The problem is neither the platform nor the rock stars.
Don’t need a sea of people. Need 10 or 5 or 3. As long as they are rock stars. I count my blessings daily.
It’s clearly how approach to using mastodon. Small tweak to your mindset and you can get alot out of the platform.
Dial up a super hero and tell them they are awesome.
Go to pypi
Find packages you like and their maintainers.
Hook up with them and tell them they are awesome, but found a few things that doesn’t make sense in the docs. Whatever the approach. You are in!
Do it now.
It’ll take all of 5 mins.
Why are all your comments like poetry? I love that lmao
not sure what poetry does
as long as the ladies seem happy might be something to it
Hey, I don’t come into your house and insult you by calling you social media! /s
I think, much like HN or early web forums, we’re below the population level where personal attacks get unmanageable. On Reddit voicing a dissenting opinion would always get you dog piled and that makes people defensive and boring as shit.
People here are generally (some exceptions being pro life/choice which is a deeply toxic topic at this point and Gaza which has emotions extremely high) arguing in good faith and even if they’re rough initially a lot of times I’ve appreciated back and forth threads since, even if there’s still a disagreement, most people will genuinely work to remove stupid misunderstandings and try and understand who they’re talking to.
Additionally, the mods on most communities are awesome and focus specifically on removing things like personal attacks without getting heavy handed in interventions.
I still use Mastodon — as a place to dump intrusive thoughts more than anything — but there is this huge tension between people who want to chat with randoms, people who only want to chat with friends, and people who want to use it purely as a broadcast medium. The protocol/convention doesn’t really allow for managing this issue, which is a shame, but I have come to the conclusion that microblogging is just kind of cursed as a medium. It’s fundamentally all about building a personal brand, and if you have no social capital you are shit out of luck. And if you have too much, well, enter the reply guys.
Lemmy/the Reddit model on the other hand strikes a good balance between anonymity and being able to vet odd characters. Different people want different things ofc, and that’s fine, but I find I have more fruitful conversations here than on Mastodon.
Name three people on Mastodon you follow and why do you admire them
Author. Three time Hugo Award winner.
Invented Markdown
You already know who this guy is. As far as I can tell he’s either a leftist or pretty damn close to being one, and I would bet money on him not being a horrible person.
I don’t know but that image looks sick
It is, right? I found it here.
The blog style format (post + threaded comments) is a lot more inviting to a conversational style than microblogging. Some Masto instances have very open post character counts but some are much more limiting - as are Bluesky and Xitter. If you’re not able to explain your point clearly it hampers the ability to have a decent conversation about it.
explain your point clearly with unittests. Then we are talking.
Prove it’s true otherwise it’s just conjecture. A missive. A random thought, or G’d forbid, good intentions.
I’ll save you the time: “It’s just conjecture”.
yeah there is a lotta that floating around.
i feel locked in a cage with the proverbial monkey
shiats getting tossed everywhere. Dodging works for a time.
Eventually wanted more outta life than successive rounds of the classic game, space invaders.
People opening their mouths, whatever comes out, should be backed up with something. Even better if can interact with that something
You don’t really pay much attention do you Mr “look for the signal”?
u are right
just confirmed my point
either i’m defective or thoroughly distracted by a never ending stream of disjointed conversation threads that just blend together and lead no where.
Was there ever any hope of forming a long last relationship? Or is that never been in the cards?
Are we just thread participants for the life time of this thread?
just confirmed my point
Or maybe you’re so used to posting on a platform that’s bad to hold a conversation on you don’t notice when you’re part of one on a platform that is good at being conversational on.
