• WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    What?? Op-eds can be disagreeable??! This is incredibly irresponsible. What if I just believe every opinion I read? This is so ugly and awful. I can’t believe journalists would trust people to draw their own conclusions about a diverse spectrum of opinions!

    Typical failing New York Times. So despicable and unethical.

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      9 days ago

      A New York Times reporter was responsible for the Iraq War by lying about weapons of mass destruction to sway congress. Jon Stewart interviewed the reporter and pretty much chewed the reporter out when trying to promote a book.

    • november@lemmy.vg
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      9 days ago

      I see what the problem is.

      Here, this should be more agreeable to you:

      The New York Times is full of shit (Opinion)

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      Publishing extremist propaganda calling for war crimes in a newspaper can be waived away because it said (opinion)!

      Bomb Syria even if it’s illegal (opinion!)

      What’s next, verbatim Mein Kampf quotes being okay if the article says (opinion)?

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        Yes, frankly I don’t trust anyone to be able to think critically about what they read. I think we should outlaw disagreeable opinions. So much easier, I hate homework. But I love burning things! Let’s start with books! My library has a copy of mein kampf in fact. Let’s go burn it! That will take care of those damn nazis!

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          We’re not saying we should ban it, we’re saying we should discredit these publications because they are willingly giving a platform to extremist rhetoric. Nobody is saying this should be illegal, we’re saying “Stop reading the New York Times, they’ve gone full accelerationist”

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            The suggestion to discredit publications like The New York Times because they “platform disagreeable opinions” misses the point entirely. The goal of engaging with diverse viewpoints is not to validate every perspective but to understand them, deconstruct them, and refine our own positions through the process of critical reasoning. If we retreat into echo chambers that reinforce our pre-existing beliefs, we’re not just hiding from ideas we find distasteful—we’re deliberately choosing intellectual cowardice. It’s akin to thinking that if you simply close your eyes, the problem ceases to exist.

            This approach is not only self-defeating but fundamentally immature. Refusing to engage with what you perceive as “extremist rhetoric” doesn’t reduce its presence; it only blinds you to its evolution, making it easier for such rhetoric to gain traction unchallenged. To use a crude analogy, it’s like seeing blood from a wound, covering your eyes, and believing the wound is healed. Refusing to look at the problem—or pretending it doesn’t exist—does nothing to solve it.

            The notion that simply discrediting entire publications based on a few disagreeable viewpoints will somehow rid the world of those opinions is laughably naïve. In reality, it reveals a shallow understanding of how discourse works. Ideas don’t just vanish because you’ve decided not to look at them; they fester and grow stronger in the dark. This strategy isn’t just ineffective—it’s actively harmful, promoting a kind of self-imposed intellectual infantilism where one’s worldview is limited to only those thoughts deemed “safe.”

            The suggestion to stop reading publications like The New York Times because they platform a range of opinions assumes that people are incapable of discerning between well-reasoned arguments and extremist drivel. This assumption is not only insulting but speaks to a profound lack of faith in people’s ability to engage with, analyze, and refute arguments on their own merits. It’s this very stunted intellectual development—the notion that the world will be better if you downvote things you don’t like and only read things that already agree with you—that cultivates ignorance, rather than addressing it. In short, refusing to engage with challenging or disagreeable views is the hallmark of a mind that fears it might not have the reasoning capacity to withstand genuine debate.

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          9 days ago

          Tolerating the opinions to indiscriminately bomb countries and people is not something we as a society should do.

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          Godwins law doesnt apply when discussing fascism, a clause to the rule since godwin first penned it.

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      I think it’s fair to say they both copy the homework of each other, as they’re all authoritarians who act like they’re for the benefit of the people, so long as you endlessly agree with what the government says is always true and just.

  • NYT editorials have leaned far right for a long while now. They’re FOX News with a longer, more bluechip reputation.

    Do not use NYT as a reliable source. Do not trust NYT readers who do.

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      Bruh don’t cite any opinion/op-ed as a source of fact. It’s like right there at the fucking top that these ‘articles’ are someone’s opinion.