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Imagine having a government that demands things of its corporations instead of the other way around
American government actually makes more demands on their citizens. Street level China is still very laissez-faire in most cities.
Imagine having a Government that uses political prisoners as forced laborers.
Imagine…
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States
- World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
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The lowest is Massachusetts, at 275 per 100K. China is less than half that, at 121.
yeah just imagine
- https://news.uchicago.edu/story/us-prison-labor-programs-violate-fundamental-human-rights-new-report-finds
- https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers
- https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e
- https://freedomnetworkusa.org/2023/08/11/forced-labor-in-prisons/
- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/27/slavery-loophole-unpaid-labor-in-prisons
- https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2024/02/01/modern-american-slavery-forced-prison-labor/
No need to imagine. Slavery is conditionally legal in the US, as written in the Thirteenth Amendment.
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The person you’re replying to never even refuted the claim about China. Many people don’t know about the 13th amendment, so it’s actually relevant to the conversation. Your weirdly hostile reply isn’t relevant because it’s reductive and misplaced. If you truly cared about forced labor, you wouldn’t be trying to squash conversation about it.
No, it’s just Yankeestan.
Imagine having a government that uses incarcerated people of colour as forced laborers.
I don’t have to imagine that I live in the US
Actually all prisoners in America are political prisoners because politics determines the laws that put them in prison
That’s a funny way to put it, but kinda sorta true. Anti-cannabis laws for majority black users…
Why not both?
Because there is actual evidence for Yankeestan while there is no evidence for this happening in China. Not only that, but per capita incarceration rate in China is far lower than in US overall.
Sure but I think it probably isn’t as easy to gather evidence for this in China than it is in the US. That’s why I think it’s fair to assume the lack of evidence doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. There’s evidence this occurred in collapsed regimes of similar stripes. It’s plausible that China isn’t an exception. I’m not at all suggesting whether this is widespread or not. I have no clue. It could be extremely rare.
No question about the incarceration rates.
What is this notion that it’s harder to collect evidence in China is based on exactly, also what collapsed regimes of similar stripes are you even talking about?
I’m talking about other one-party communist regimes like the ones in the USSR, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, etc. Yes I’m aware they’re they’re not identical, including in rates of political prisoners. The one I’m from had relatively few.
America is a one-party capitalist regime where you choose between Trump and She-Trump
Not sure what you’re talking about then because after the dissolution of USSR and transition to a liberal capitalist regime both crime and incarceration shot up dramatically.
China doing something
For show or for their own ends?
nothing will ever satisfy you people because you’ve already made up your minds about being xenophobic weirdos
they could save the entire planet from an asteroid strike and you’d still probably go “okay but they only did it for show”
Honestly the USA is going fucking insane and China is starting to look stable and rational by comparison.
China is like “yes, we are predictably slightly evil” America wakes up every day, takes a fistfull of Hunter S Thompsons briefcase, snorts it and then hucks a dart at a D&D alignment chart.
China’s not even slightly evil though. It’s suffered from bureaucracy in responding to evil, sure, but that’s going to happen to all groups of beings above a certain number for all time.
being xenophobic weirdos
Found the wumao.
The CCP and Chinese people are different things. No one is criticizing Chinese people.
Yeah, it’s only comprised of millions and supported by the majority of Chinese people who, according to you white savior liberals, are too stupid and brainwashed to know better.
You can’t even imagine that someone might not be mindlessly frothing in rage over everything China does isn’t a paid Chinese shill. Fuck off, you xenophobic weirdo.
according to you white savior liberals
Where the hell did you get I’m white? Or that I don’t have Chinese family?
are too stupid and brainwashed to know better.
Or just limited in the news from outside the country.
isn’t a paid Chinese shill.
Ok, so an unpaid wumao.
For Show means that some official is just making noise to appeal their their higher ups and nothing will come of it.
For Their Own Ends means that they don’t want protest groups forming where they can’t see it.
i know exactly what you meant, i just think you’re completely full of it.
cool cool
System providers should avoid recommendation algorithms that create “echo chambers” and induce addiction, allow manipulation of trending items, or exploit gig workers’ rights, the notice said.
They should also crack down on unfair pricing and discounts targeting different demographics, ensure “healthy content” for elderly and children, and impose a robust “algorithm review mechanism and data security management system”.
Lemmy has no problems with this.
Because Lemmy is a voluntary echo chamber.
nah, its a big step ahead of letting unelected billionaires control discourse, instead of an elected governing body.
Lemmy is still shit governance wise. It’s just a bunch of fiefdom managed by god knows who, there’s absolutely nothing democratic about it.
It’s not zero, each fiefdom has very little power to keep users. As it is right now, a user unhappy with their instance culture or laws can move to another instance. Comparing it to moving in real life, in real life you have a lifetime worth of things that tie you to your fiefdom. Comparing it to well established and centralised social media, then those fiefdoms still have a lot of power over you.
Your social network can’t come with you, they’re SSO providers, they’re tracking and human-verification providers, they have high quality exclusive content, they’re sometimes the only channel for interacting with some third parties you have to interact with (Government, utility company, etc).
no one corporation can censor it or turn it into an altright cesspool.
every individual or company can have a federated instance if they please. lemmy is more akin to the old forums, which are a massive step forward.
not perfect; much better.
although i think my op was responding to another comment and i did a wrong.
Instances are worthless, what has value are the /c/ and absolutely nothing in the Lemmy model protects communities from the admin of the instance where it was created to go full Elon. I bet that at some point it will happen.
Most of the time you don’t even know who is running the instance. Suffice that one of them that’s running a large enough communities needs a bit of cash and decide to sell it. Or they could be in bed/owned by any intelligence agency/corporation/political party. Who knows.
I’ve spend a year in my lost time musing on the design of a truly decentralised model where identity, community, curation (moderation) and distribution are entirely decorrelated to address those specific issue among all the othes, including the one you mentioned. It’s complex, it’s a big task, but I don’t think it’s impossible. I’m too lazy to code it though :D
The entire .world instance is full Elon
absolutely nothing in the Lemmy model protects communities from the admin of the instance where it was created to go full Elon
I’d say the low cost of migration does, especially if user awareness remains high (and since most users are here over complaints of the APIs being restricted, I’d say there’s an above-average awareness). It’s pretty easy to clone a community onto another instance, and it would be trivial for users to migrate too.
As you discovered when you tried to get your friends to use Signal instead of whatsapp it’s actually very hard to move people.
Everyone was “yeah let’s leave Reddit the owner are evil and taking away our mobile apps”. Barely anyone did. It is not trivial to convince a group of people to move.
My point is that it’s very different from moving from WhatsApp to Signal, or from reddit to Lemmy.
Let’s imagine on an instance, a community mod started flooding their /c/technology with ads and deleting any posts criticising them. And suppose the admins decide not to step in, saying it’s their community and their right to do that.
How painful would it be for users to go from /c/technology over to /c/tech or /c/technology@other.site ? There is a far smaller barrier - it’s basically two clicks on their side to change their comm subscriptions, they don’t risk losing communication with friends or miss out on a larger site’s content feeds, or have to deal with ‘one more app’, they don’t have to learn a new tool, they just use a different community.
But it’s still better than Reddit, e.g.
