• Naich@lemmings.world
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    2 months ago

    Once you try Vim you will never use another text editor. Or any other program for that matter because you won’t be able to exit.

    • kevincox@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      What are you running MS-DOS? laughs in multi-tasking.

      I just drag my vi terminals to another workspace and launch a new editor.

    • davidgro@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I also had that experience with emacs, which has a built in help system. I couldn’t find a topic on ‘exit’ or ‘quit’ and refused to just search online.

      Took me half an hour.

      • m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world
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        and refused to just search online

        Unless you were f*cked by your ISP as I am right now, that’s having some balls. Or being masochist. But nothing in between

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      2 months ago

      Notepadqq is basically an exact clone of Notepad++ but native on Linux.

      I used it for a good while before recently switching to Kate.

  • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    If I wanted to hear about what’s good about Vim, should I:

    a) ask what’s good about vim

    -OR-

    b) assert blindly that there is nothing good about vim so fanboys will come crawling out of the walls tripping over each other to tell me how I’m wrong?

    • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      tl;dr: Run vimtutor, learn vim, enjoy life

      It’s extremely powerful, for mostly the same reason that it’s incomprehensible to newbies. It’s focused not on directly inputting characters from your keyboard, but on issuing commands to the editor on how to modify the text.

      These commands are simple but combine to let you do exactly what you want with just a few keypresses.

      For example:

      w is a movement command that moves one word forward.

      You can put a number in front of any command to repeat it that many times, so 3w moves three words forward.

      d is the delete command. You combine it with a movement command that tells it what to delete. So dw deletes one word and d3w deletes the next three words.

      f is the find movement command. You press it and then a character to move to the first instance of that character. So f. will move to the end of the current sentence, where the period is.

      Now, knowing only this, if you wanted to delete the next two sentences, you could do that by pressing d2f.

      Hopefully I gave a taste of how incredibly powerful, flexible, yet simple this system is. You only need to know a handful of commands to use vim more effectively than you ever could most other editors. And there are enough clever features that any time you think “I wish there was a better way to do this” there most certainly is (as well as a nice description of how).

      It also comes with a guide to help you get over the initial learning curve, run vimtutor in a console near you to get started on the path to salvation efficient editing.

    • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
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      Doesn’t matter we will tell you either way.

      • Instead of simply shortcuts, vim uses “chords”. Every new shortcut I learn can be combined intuitively* with all the other shortcuts I know.
      • Because of this there’s no faster way to edit files than Vim in the hands of an experienced user.
      • this let’s me spend almost no time editing code, freeing up the rest of my time for swearing at piss poor documentation.

      * I use “intuitively” here in a way that not merely stretches, but outright abuses the definition of the word.

      • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
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        It’s intuitive if your previous editor was ed(1) and you’re using an ADM-3A-like keyboard.

  • ludicolo@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Anytime I open Vim I ask the same question.

    “how the fuck do I use you?”

    then go back to nano

    repeat.

    • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
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      It’s a common problem but the correct solution to closing vim is quite easy, press and hold control alt and F5 to drop to a new terminal. From there you can do “killall vim” to properly close vim, then just drop back to your main session

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        2 months ago

        I wish I’d read this years ago! I’ve nearly bankrupted myself buying a new machine each time, thanks!

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      2 months ago

      Just type :!bash (or whatever heathenous shell you prefer) and you never have to leave the warm embrace of vim ever again

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
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      I tend to work on customer systems where I’m not allowed to install anything. I’ve yet to encounter one that doesn’t have vi installed, but I’ve seen a few without nano.

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              ed is sadly not installed by default on some modern distros. Even vi is often a symlink to vim in vi-mode.

              • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Really? Not that I’d notice, but I assumed ed was so tiny that there wouldn’t be any reason to not include it. (Ubuntu has it and it’s 59KB)

                Asking for vi and getting vim is just a pleasant surprise :)