But there’s not many current users over there to answer them. If you still have a reddit account and are willing to help some folks out, please consider doing so!
“I’m very tech-savvy, but I don’t understand how the Fediverse work” - Then continues to write FUD… I’m so tired lol
It is the “problem” of how accessible everything is. I know plenty of genuinely amazing coders who have no idea how an operating system (let alone the hardware it runs on) works because they don’t need to know. EVERYONE has stories of people who don’t understand directory structures because they grew up on google drive.
And it REALLY does not help that the average fediverse evangelist can’t shut up and just give a simple answer.
In the Warframe space? What I and others have noticed works REALLY well is to tell the person trying it out “At the end of a mission you are going to get like 40 currencies. Ignore that shit, it doesn’t matter”. And in fediverse stuff? The answer is just to say “It is like having an email account at gmail or hotmail or whatever”*. It doesn’t matter. Just go to join-lemmy.org or whatever and pick one of the top servers after doing their questionnaire".
Instead we have “Well, you need to understand federation and why it is so important. Read this white paper and then come back to me and I’ll suggest a few youtube videos that explain what you are having trouble with”
*: The fact that I couldn’t think of a good email provider that normies use IS the problem.
There should be a link, that redirects you to the registration page of a random (maybe based on geo ip) Lemmy server. Just don’t mention to the user that they have a choice of servers. Just have them register and get on. Later, while using the Fediverse, they will learn how it works and be able to understand what it means to choose a Lemmy server yourself.
Anything else is just too complicated for the average person, I think. Hell, I think domain names other than lemmy.xxx is confusing some people.
Hell, I think domain names other than lemmy.xxx is confusing some people.
This. Techies know custom domains are a thing. A LOT of people are going to look askance at anything that isn’t among the most common TLDs. I mean, lemmy.zip is kinda funny. But it also screams “don’t click me, zip files from an unknown source are dangerous!”
…and now I’m having intrusive thoughts about exe being a TLD. I’m-a go lay down until the voices stop.
Risky click.
Edit: It’s unregistered. Which I view as a total failure of the Lemmy community.
Domain Name: lemmy.xxx Registry Domain ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrar WHOIS Server: https://porkbun.com/whois Registrar URL: www.porkbun.com Updated Date: 2024-06-04T06:41:46Z Creation Date: 2023-05-31T21:41:15ZIt’s actually registered, just doean’t point to a website. https://www.whois.com/whois/lemmy.xxx
Fedi observer does something like this.
I think they shouldnt even be shown other servers inititslly on the apps, have it in the corner as an optional pick, default to lemmee or shitjustworks since they dont block stuff like piracy, or if you’re scared of legal trouble default to lemmyworld
I see that hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and Lemmy.ml are all recommendations there. So there might be a problem with that plan… They hate the West, whereas people in Reddit are FROM the West, and overall even if they join Lemmy, I cannot imagine them remaining here for very long.
I almost quit Lemmy after even just a couple of mere discussions with people on those instances - I sure as fuck would not have stuck around if my entire instance was surrounded by them!
Would YOU join Truth.Social, the Alt-Right network? Well, here at Lemmy, we are the Alt-Left one. It is zero surprise to me at all that centrists on Reddit are not desiring to come to this place that is so highly unwelcoming to
themanyone who does not use Linux btw.I get downvoted in every political discussion here. But at least nobody banned me yet. On reddit they banned me from the subreddits that are supposed to represent my views!
I don’t even bother with the largest communities here anymore, which all seem like circle jerk echo chambers to me. Of the top 10 communities on Lemmy.World, I am no longer subscribed to any of them. And then of the next 10, I am only subscribed to Not the Onion and Fediverse.
Just like Reddit, the largest ones have most of the toxicity. The niche subs are way more chill. Unfortunately, being on Lemmy.World you can’t interact with any of the content on Beehaw - which has odd moderation behaviors, chief among them being that people must be "nice* whatever that means.
So more niche subs might be to your liking as well. You can’t force people to like what you say though, only either tailor your comments to match their viewpoints or else move to where yours are at least respected and hopefully even welcomed.
Lemmy feels pretty centrist, idk politics are weird plenty of right mfs have very leftist views that they see as right wing views if that makes sense, plenty of left wing ppl going off emotion too. I feel like on lemmy no one tweaks if you agree with one of trumps actions while hating 99% of them, elsewhere like on reddit they’ll pile on you for considering they could have one good point,like yeah maybe cartels should be designated terrorists good job there
You can test that assumption at your convenience by making a post or even just a reply in !ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net. I don’t think it will turn out like you hoped.:-)
My point is that it highly depends which community you say something in. The more niche the more likely that is to be true but the popular ones seem full of people just waiting to dunk on people’s poor judgement - ChapoTrapHouse even explicitly says that right in the sidebar area!:-P
they should really only suggest lemmee or shitjustworks, not a fan of any that block stuff like piracy
I know plenty of genuinely amazing coders who have no idea how an operating system
Such a person cannot be an “amazing coder”.
Generally, I don’t believe it’s actually an issue with complication. There’s just a resistance to change. That said there’s still significant onus on those invested in the fediverse to make sure It Just Workstm
I miss a lot of the niche communities of reddit that still had engagement. Lemmy doesn’t have all that I used to have, but I decided to join anyway. Not everyone will do that, and like you said that makes the resistance to change even stronger.
thats kind of how it starts, individuals have different thresholds for migrating. its fine for it to take time. =)
I thought it was sh.itjust.works
Wow, that’s a dumb argument. I don’t have the slightest clue how it works, but I’m here!
IKR.
Call me a gatekeeper but it’s not secret arcane knowledge for a privileged few.
You just sign up the same way you’ve done anything ever.
I mean… people who understand how the fediverse works… have already made the move.
So what? You don’t have to understand how something works to use it.
This guy thought so…
He was wrong.
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I appreciate folks making the effort to help over there. I nuked my 12-year-old account and try not to give them any additional traffic, but onboarding new folks is probably one of the best arguments for activity there
wish we could somehow transfer reddit history, but reddit legally owns our posts and identity
Archive.org has it all saved
Well, you can at least download all your reddit account information into a file that you can archive locally. I wanted to make sure my best puns were preserved at all costs 😅
reddit legally owns our posts and identity
(Laughs in web scraping)
its in their rules, they own everything youve posted and your identity that you use on the site
Rules and laws are just strongly worded suggestions
I wanted to give you some shade for not posting any links to back up your claims.
There was a rumor going around that EULAs can be easily attacked, but when I did a very unthorough search of it, I found the end of this wikipedia article states otherwise.
I’m not making any claims that require sources or links, it’s simply a philosophy and a fact of life, depending how you look at it.
Just because something is a rule and you may face consequences for breaking it, does not mean that you must follow it. You always have the choice and the option to refuse to follow a rule or a law.
Be sure to let them know the Fediverse is kind of like the Marvelverse. Except instead of being a universe of Marvel, it’s a universe about Kevin Federline! The Fediverse!!!
…I just realized that joke is so old that it’s not culturally relevant anymore. Nobody knows who K-Fed was…or cares.
Dammit! It’s a funny joke if this were 2006!
That’s okay Dad! I’m sure that one from 2007 is gonna kill….
Nah. 2007 was the year “The Big Bang Theory” began airing. Clearly not a good year for comedy.
Bananza!
There are plenty of older folks here, he was just barely relevant as it was.
Yeah well maybe they should come here. Lol not to be too harsh. What kinda questions are there anyway? More importantly, what questions are there that can’t be answered by “just go on lemmy brah”?
Yeah well maybe they should come here.
That’s the idea!
“just go on lemmy brah”
This works. Please do so politely.
Lemmy.brah
The sign up requirements are that you have to open with “uh saw duuuu” 🤙
Found this out from that subreddit: https://dansup-open-letter.github.io/
That’s very interesting. It did change my view of dansup.edit: just like the comments said, most points seem to be exaggerated and mostly bs upon a closer look.
My personal view on this is Dansup absolutely suffers from the instinct of not open sourcing stuff until it’s fairly late in the stage of being an MVP, but I think that’s largely because he’s learning these technologies as he goes and is afraid of criticism on that front. Personally, however, I do not think it is the case that he does not believe in the Open Source project. I also trust him when he says he’s working towards a nonprofit to distribute the load. It seems his first steps are to get funding via kickstarter to quit his job, and then I imagine organizing a nonprofit structure is next.
As the author said in the website, saying a platform is open source when you haven’t even released the source is nothing but wrong. And that is not the only thing he has done it seems.
I personally can’t take his apologies seriously after his cocky harassments.
Many of the points are bullshit and that’s without even having any context, it’s evident from the posts themselves.
Like the part where he allegedly “threatened legal action” - all he was saying is that outside fedi/oss that would mean a legal action, sounds like pointing out the advantages of oss/fedi, not threatening a legal action.
I would urge you to re-read that and scrutinize the claims because I do not think that should ruin your view of Dan. Think about the claims and ask your self if you really care about those points.
That letter comes off as extremely pathetic. The guy is human. Nothing said there was crazy or rude or worth canceling support for a over. None of the nitpicked points had nearly enough evidence or context for people to make a judgement. The presentation was extremely bias and borderline untrue.
For example “I am also in talks with @hazy! to join our team” is not an official offer to join the team. Yet this letter presents it as a set in stone offer that Dan went back on for unjustified reasons. Dan gave his reasons why the offer fell through and if he is to be believed (and if he isnt) then the negotiations fell through and thats normal and ok.
Another example. This letter says Dan is so mean to his fellow fedi devs calling them rats. Then shows 3 instances of Dan clearly responding to attacks against him. Why can these “fellow” fedi devs attack dan but Dan cannot defend himself? The comments for Dan were unbelievably tame. He does not call fedi devs rats he calls some of the people attacking him rats. There is a big difference there.
I would push back on any example in that doc (except the open source one) because they all seem very stupid.
People start these projects as a hobby and users expect higher than corporate level professionalism its insane. You want people to be human but you dogpile anyone who acts human.
Well, you seem to be right. The website’s points (especially some) are very exaggerated upon a closer look. That also does make me doubt how true it actually is. But as you said, that open source one is real. So I guess I’ll just revert my view to how it was before. Noone is perfect after all.
Most of these devs would have cried if they met Linus Torvalds in his prime.
Can someone highlight the salient points from all that? What’s his deal?
Typical infighting with open-source folks. It’s a personality war with nerds. Personally, id ignore the bs drama. Every project has their share.
Source: I contribute to open source and have absolutely gone nuclear a few times
Can people even make semi anon accounts for reddit anymore. It seems unless they can finger print you and associate your account to real ID, they won’t let you post.
Even if you slip through, the account will get banned within days
I had 3 alts all get banned at once with my main, I commented on the front page with an alt that was supposdely banned. They were all logged into the app tho thats easy enough to notice (it bothers me that they claim I was evading a ban? like id be smart enough to at least use a vpn and not login all my alts into the same app on the same phone if it was for evading a subreddit ban…)
You can make an account without an email still but it’s obscured very well.
They still will need to finger print you and tie it something tho is my understanding
I feel like the default view should be “All”.
Also it would be nice to be able to view “All” for a community that shares the same name across all federated instances.
I feel like the default view should be “All”.
That’s an option for the server admin
I didn’t see the Reddit link for a second so I’m like is this the fediverse Community commenting about how many people are talking in the fediverse community.
The concept of that made me chuckle
Quite unfortunate. I still have my account, but in 2023 I swore never to post or comment on Reddit ever again. Their loss, but I’m happy to welcome anybody to Lemmy that has taken the plunge. I know we need messengers/recruiters to grow, and I’m happy for everyone going there on our behalf, but I am sticking to my vow.
Theres just a niche subrddit for everything, thats its one pro, but then you realize everyones just showing off and gatekeeping or trying to sell you something
And bots! Lots of bots!
Sure. I’ll head over and see if I can’t help out after I get off work.
Joining the fediverse isn’t hard. If you can’t figure out the onboarding process, it’s because you were looking for a reason to not join.
Yes but the process can be improved and it needs to be improved
i remember that for me the only issue was which instance to join, just because i didn’t understand instances. Could you see other instances, do you have to create a username on each, Is you username automatically on all of them. Can every instance see your posts, etc… I don’t blame some people for being scared to switch to something new after spending a big part of their life somewhere that they got used to and build a “community”.
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