I know I will probably get downvoted but:
- This is not a comic strip
- Political content on non-politics community
This isn’t a non-politics community. There’s no rule banning politics in the sidebar. If you want this community to get rid of politics, maybe you could engage in a political campaign to get the assent of the users and then bring your policy proposal to the moderators with a political argument in favour of non-politics.
The most consequential issue for voters this past election was the economy. People are feeling inflation, whether that’s through food prices, rent prices, or all of the above.
Harris didn’t campaign to that. Instead, she catered to families with children - a diminishing subsect of society - and small businesses. Yes she advocated for a first time home subsidy, but no young person believes they’ll truly have enough money to own a home in their lifetime.
Harris ignored the working class. And so they ignored her. Plain and simple. A political party has to fix its constituents’ problems, or at least lie about it. She did neither.
Stop making this about voters.
Yes, you’re right, it’s 100% Harris’ fault.
She didn’t take the steps needed to make people care enough about stopping a fascist dictatorship.
And it’s the voters’ fault that they needed to be made to care about stopping a fascist dictatorship? They should have already not wanted their friends to die.
They are both 100% to blame. Because blame isn’t a limited resource.
Drag made the following meme in response to the comments in this post: https://lemmy.nz/post/16146432
So I completely understand why people would feel this way, given that Trump won, it must stand to reason that people voted for him more, right? Except that isn’t the case. Trump got fewer votes this election than the last one.
Let me also just add here: Fuck Trump, fuck the GOP, fuck all of the fascists that supported and voted for him. I wish that Hell was real so that they could all go there.
But the reason he won isn’t because people voted for him more, it’s because Kamala’s platform didn’t inspire democrat voters to actually go and vote for her.
You could totally say that in the two party system, choosing not to vote is the same as voting for Trump, but I think that’s not true - a large number of people who voted Biden but didn’t vote Kamala are likely to be opposed to Trump and are likely to participate in protests, activist action and organising against fascism.
You may not understand why someone would be motivated to participate in activism, but not motivated to vote - and I completely understand that too. People who are into electoral politics don’t really grasp how others feel about it.
There are a number of reasons why that could be, but I would say that probably chief among them are the fact that she represented a status quo rather than a shift towards socialism, and because she refused to take a firm position against the ongoing genocide in Gaza
Of course, you’re free to believe as you wish, and I’m not trying to change your mind really - I’m just trying to add a bit of nuance and help explain what happened.
Maybe the response I got from my Mom is telling
- she’s a surprisingly liberal boomer
- she understands Trump is unfit to lead anything and would never vote for him
- she was unhappy voting for Harris
When I asked why and fact checked, two of her three reasons were false and third was “misleading”.
So even with someone whose vote was always going to be Democrat, the flood of misinformation and lies prevailed.
a large number of people who voted Biden but didn’t vote Kamala are likely to be opposed to Trump
That’s an intention, a feeling. It’s not an action.
and are likely to participate in protests, activist action and organising against fascism.
That’s great, but it isn’t voting.
These people chose to do nothing about Trump winning the election, and then take on a fascist dictatorship with banners and guns. That’s a great idea if you want a civil war. That’s a great idea if you think that making people suffer and making them see their friends and family die will radicalise them into revolutionary soldiers.
Is that the plan, or do the people who didn’t vote just not have a plan? Were they acting on their emotions? Did they think that it was Kamala’s job to make them feel motivated to resist fascism, because the prospect of voting against a fascist dictatorship just isn’t a sweet enough deal on its own?
It was a choice between neo-fascist now or neo-fascist later, DragonFucker.
Can you not at least see how people might want to try to find other paths forwards and actually make changes?
I was all for telling folks to vote prior to the election, but I can hugely empathise and understand why they didn’t.
Kids in cages, anti-Trans laws, bombs to Israel and Saudi Arabia have only gone up from Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden. The system is the same, it just gets to mask off a bit when Trump is at the helm.
Drag will reiterate drag’s point that we are now facing the prospect of actually making changes, as you say, against a fascist dictatorship. That’s harder than against a liberal capitalist state. If we’re Sisyphus and America is the boulder, then these people just decided to let the boulder roll downhill and smash into a lube factory. That makes it harder to make changes, not easier.
What is the plan in this decision?
I think that if Kamala had been elected, then we would have had four more years of things getting worse under neoliberalism, before getting a fascist in 2028. america is kind of a fascist country, it’s just now that the american people are experiencing it for themselves rather than just subjecting it on others
Four more years for drag’s friends to live and find a plan to escape the country. Drag thinks that’s a good thing. Do you think it’s a bad thing?
I have the utmost sympathy for you and your friends and I hope you’re all okay, and I want to send you as much of my love and support as I can. I wish you all nothing but the best and I hope the world turns. Stay strong, stay hopeful, and remember who the true enemy is, the ruling class, the billionaires, the media, the politicians who sold our future for $$$.
And the voters who chose this.
I think we might differ on how bad we think the status quo of neoliberal US is, DragonFucker.
It may be harder, certainly more violent.
But maybe a wider range of society will be more motivated to take direct action.
Edit: and yes, my theory does explain Nazi Germany. A weak, capitalist state where Socialists and Communists were gaining ground electorally led to far right non-winners given power because that was more palatable than ceeding more ground to the Left. And after that it left global capitalism in a stronger state than ever.
But maybe a wider range of society will be more motivated to take direct action.
Drag has trans friends who live in the USA. Drag does not think their lives are an acceptable price to pay for this plan of yours.
I don’t think their lives are either, DragonFucker.
But Harris wasn’t going to make them safer or even stop things getting worse. Ask them if they felt safer in 2023 or in 2018.
Your anger is better focused at Trump and Co in particular, and the US government in general than regular random people on the street.
As for me, I wish I had a plan. I’d just assumed Harris was going to win, but here we are.
So when will the Democratic Party unveil it’s grand plan to actually RESIST all this fascism?
Does anyone have a schedule, perhaps?
They already did. The voters decided they didn’t like the plan. That’s it for democratic methods. American democratically chose not to resist fascism. https://theonion.com/america-defeats-america/
Go buy a gun and join an anarchist organisation. You won’t get help with the democrats, they tried and were shut down.
They already did.
What plan was that? “Vote harder?”
The voters decided they didn’t like the plan.
Yeah, I also dislike plans that simply go, “trust me, bro.”
The plan was that Harris would win the election and Trump wouldn’t be president. That’s resisting fascism, by denying it supreme executive power.
The voters said no thanks.
That’s resisting fascism
Bullshit. It does absolutely nothing except put a Dem in the White House for another four years and does absolutely nothing about all the fascism.
Nothing.
That’s not a plan, that’s business as usual.
Well okay, if you think there’s no difference between a Harris presidency and a fascist dictatorship, then this comic is about you. Congratulations, you’ve appeared in a work of (badly drawn) art.
Do you really think Harris’ platform was all that liberal?
Did you listen to her DNC speech, where she insisted on having the strongest military in America’s history, not mentioning Palestinians plight in Gaza and the West Bank, and promising to have a Republican in her cabinet?
Harris actively chased after the right and their voting base right up to election day. Democrats did nothing to counter Trump. If they had, they would have actually followed through on the Tim Walz pick and promulgated actual, progressive policies to win over the self-interest of their base.
Harris using a stick to get her base to vote was not enough. People need carrots. Her campaign was utter shit man.
then this comic is about you.
So you literally assumed business as usual could stop fascism?
I suggest you wake up. Fast.
No. We weren’t talking about stopping fascism, we were talking about resisting fascism. You’ve changed the subject to a much bigger problem and assumed drag wouldn’t notice your switcheroo.
That’s not at all what happened.
The donkey showed people the positions and the people sat at home.
The same assholes as usual voted Republican and that’s how Trump won.
People were lazy, disinterested, and not motivated to vote for the incumbent party.
The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.
I don’t agree that Trump’s policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.
Drag thinks that not having a fascist dictator who wants to holocaust all the trans people is a strong solution to a very real problem. Drag got excited about the idea of the USA continuing to be a somewhat-democracy where drag’s trans friends are allowed to live. Drag was excited about driving Putin out of Ukraine, and drag was very happy to vote for the West Bank not to blow up. Drag thinks all those “desperate people” seem not to care very much about queer people, ukrainians, or palestinians. And if they were only in it for themselves, maybe they could have gotten excited about Harris’ plan to help first home buyers. Drag has been seeing memes for a decade about how Millenials will never buy houses, and drag feels that pain. Harris had a plan. It wasn’t a great plan, but it was a plan. It seems the voters didn’t just lack empathy, but also lacked self-interest.
It wasn’t a great plan
You’re entitled to be mad at the voters for forsaking their fellow citizens as well as the citizens of Ukraine and Palestine. But that doesn’t change the fact that, “not a great plan” wasn’t good enough for voters to turn out for the Democrats. Voters are inevitably going to vote for whatever they perceive as being in their own self interests. It’s up to the political parties to align with what the voters want and the Democrats have continuously failed to do that.
Yes, the DNC are just as much at fault as the people who voted for a fascist dictatorship.
2008- Popular vote (D) 69,498,516 vs. [R] 59,948,323
2012- Popular vote (D) 65,915,795 vs. [R] 60,933,504
2016- Popular vote (D) 65,853,514 vs. [R] 62,984,828
2020- Popular vote (D) 81,283,501 vs. [R] 74,223,975
2024- Popular vote (D) 68,092,002 vs. [R] 72,747,033Trump lost some voters. Kamala lost WAY more voters. Find out why 15 million voters overall didn’t vote. Or more particularly, find out why all those voters came out in 2020 and not in 2016 or 2024.
Trump was way more unpopular then. He also told his supporters to vote day of. Voting by mail was way easier that year so people that may normally not have voted did, and Trump supporters voted election Day. He basically kneecapped himself.
I’m convinced he would’ve be reelected had it not been for COVID.
I would say 2020 was more the outlier then anything. Then again, that was right after 4 years of trump and you know waves hands all the crap that happened then.
They took the threat seriously and we really didn’t take it seriously again.
The problem wasn’t Harris or her platform, it was that more than half of American voters are fucking idiots. Massive public stupidity is a problem no politician and no platform can cure. We’ve spent more than half a century addicting ourselves to entertainment and convenience. We need everything presented to us in memes now. America collectively has shit for brains, so we’re going to have a sack of shit for President. Congrats y’all.
Missouri passed a $15 minimum wage law that goes into effect in 2026, and voted to keep abortion legal. Missouri also in general voted for Trump.
People are not the issue. Americans are mostly in favor of a lot of progressive policies. Democrats however failed to package and frame those in a way that would swing voters, however.
I will never stop blaming the Democratic party over the American people.
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The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.
I’m going to end the war!
Putin says the same thing.
Details, bitch, with a clear path to a two-state solution because Israel has lost all rights to claim they’re not an apartheid state.
Not that it matters now.
It’s not their platform was weak. It’s that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child’s head somewhere in America. They govern “responsibly” while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.
It’s easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to “keep fighting” but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?
I might go one further and say “Look, you need to take my platform seriously!” isn’t a winning message when the last guy lied about his platform. Biden took office promising a bunch of BernieBro shit - debt forgiveness, climate change reform, prosecution of corrupt officials from the prior administration, voting reform - and then failed to deliver. Obama ran into the same shit after 2008, tanking his majorities in 2010 and then pulling through despite a negative approval rating in 2012, because he did not deliver the goods.
How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Its easy to forget that conservatives (particularly the heavy hitters) also have a ton of shit on the line. You’ll notice Wall Street loves a full GOP House/Senate/Presidency and the market is surging. Crypto is surging. Elon Musk and the Winklevoss Twins and the Murdochs and even Bezos are bullish on the next four years. These people had vast fortunes on the line and they acted like it. They turned the country against the Democrats by hook and by crook, through their mass media and their industrial stoogies.
The Democrats needed their old allies in the labor movement to push back. They needed teachers and university students. They needed the urban professional class. But after Biden sold out the rail unions and failed to support service sector or aerospace or even the fucking Postal Service? After he flubbed debt forgiveness for college grads? After he let state governments (in Red and Blue states alike) run roughshod over public education? Who was left?
Dems immolated their own base, chasing the traditionally conservative upper middle class white homeowners. Schumer promised that every blue collar voter who went to Trump would be replaced by two suburban moms. Oops.
Maybe if Trump starts executing them, and shit becomes win or die for them like it is for a lot of people, then maybe they’ll start thinking about how to win at all costs (like listening to what people actually want) instead of “we want to win, but only as long as it doesn’t adversely affect our donor daddies”
No, they need to be replaced. They’re complicit.
They don’t give a damn shit. It’s all smiles, jokes and smirks nowadays.
I think mama Kamala would’ve had a way better chance of win if she just offered a simple public apology for force-labouring so many poor people before shifting policies 180°. Instead they do that yesterday, then the exact opposite today and a big laugh in your face.
People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.
It wasn’t high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn’t see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.
People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they’ve repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.
Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They’re leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there’s nobody left to blame now but the party itself.
She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her
Nobody voted for Trump because he was “more left than Hillary”. That’s not why anyone voted for him.
I personally know many who wanted the US out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and trusted Trump over Hillary to do it. I know no-one who openly wanted the same and voted for her. I myself voted third-party the last two elections before this year, and Biden has only escalated our entanglements in middle-eastern conflics.
Jesus, just look at Biden’s rhetoric on Israel and Iran. Its downright bizarely pro-war, pro-genocide(in its failure to remotely acknowlege such is happening), and absolutely tone-deaf to what voters want.
The fact that you yourself have now said what you’ve said on the topic proves the opposite of your claims. You know no conservatives today, and you mock the notion that anyone is against the war more than you point out any reason anyone should have voted for Harris over Trump.
Muslims were a DNC lock-in vote till now, and absolutely no-one failed to warn them that was changing.
They absolutely were compelled by his opposition to international conflict and intervention - which was a huge part of Clinton’s legacy as SoS.
i believe what he meant was that “trump won despite being on left of hillary” which goes against the dnc propaganda at that time that sanders was not electable because america will never vote for leftist views. add that hillary was stupid (or corrupt) enough to not give anything to her voter base while trump did. shows how out of touch dnc had become.
Your opinion is valid but, with no offense intended, i wasn’t talking to you
That’s not how this works. It’s a social platform. You talk to all of us.
Or not
Democrats are now hallucinating Harris supporting a ceasefire in Gaza
Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says
At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.
For most voters, that concession was too little too late. Effectively, her campaign still didn’t support a ceasefire nor cease of arms transfers.
Harris actively banished Gaza from her campaign. She did not allow Palestine at the DNC. She promised to keep sending weapons to Israel. Her position was extremely clear.
Vague lip service two days before the election means nothing.
The writing really was on the wall, unfortunately
It’s not a war, it’s a genocide. The UN is able to call it a genocide. The Hague is able to call it a genocide. The fact that Harris refused to acknowledge it as a genocide meant that nothing further would actually be done.
Because she saw that she was gonna lose. Or thought it would fly under the radar to not piss off more but somehow convince others that she meant it?
The Democrats seemed to have thought the election a game that could be won with clever tactics and moves the whole time instead of meeting the challenge head on. Truly a shit show of poor party management.
There are many ways to end a war.
How would she stop the genocide? The next one?
“vote for a ceasefire” is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I’m not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.
Do you think Kamala Harris was the president, or do you think people are upset that voters didn’t vote for Joe Biden?
I’m pretty sure she vowed to not be silent on Gaza, and then didn’t really bring it up until 2? days before the election? Even if she said somewhere about ceasefire she clearly didn’t mean it.
The president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done
- Kamala Harris
now is the time to get a ceasefire deal and get the hostage deal done.
- Kamala Harris
We’re not going to stop in terms of putting that pressure on Israel and in the region including Arab leaders
- Kamala Harris
it is time for this war to end and end in a way where Israel is secure, all the hostages are released, the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can exercise their right to freedom, dignity and self-determination.
- Kamala Harris
My bad. I guess she mentioned it more than twice.
But in my defense I don’t think I need to remember all the empty words. You’re working with the president around the clock for a ceasefire and the outcome is an 8 billion military aid package for Israel and further escalations by Isreal? She can say all the thoughts and prayers she wants but it doesn’t change that the administration she’s a part of made no progress on a ceasefire.
If you think she would’ve done a ceasefire after being elected you’re huffing pure copium. If a ceasefire was on the card the ceasefire would’ve happened already . You don’t run on “I know our party is currently in office and can pressure for a ceasefire and we can’t or won’t do anything, however if you elect me then next year we’ll do something.”
Just look at the rally from where the first 2 quotes are from. They’re actually part of the same quote and I’ll add the quote in full.
I have been clear: now is the time to get a cease-fire deal and get the hostage deal done. Now is the time, and the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that cease-fire deal done and bring the hostages home. So, I respect your voices, but we are here to now talk about this race in 2024.
Translation. We hear you but we don’t want to address it.
Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don’t turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.
Drag agrees that Harris’s campaign sucked, and Harris is to blame. Drag also thinks America voted for a fascist, and America is to blame. The great thing about blame is that two people can both be 100% at fault.
Found Bob Dole’s Lemmy account!
A pimp named Slickback
A Pimp Named Slickback is more progressive than too many people on both sides, and basically all of the DNC itself. Fuck all that “homies before hoes” non-sense. The corpos and military-industrial complex are homies, btw.
Harris is a fascist, you lib
